Trump was on the ballot in Colorado. So is there a lawsuit if SCOTUS says his name can be removed with voters saying I voted for Trump but now I would have voted for someone else?
Every primary ballot I’ve voted in every state I’ve lied in, so 6, has included the caveat that one or more candidate may withdraw by the time of the convention, and any votes for those candidate(s) are wasted; no do-overs. In fact they include that candidates may have already withdrawn after the deadline for ballot printing, but before you even see your ballot.
In any case, no do-overs.
AHA! Voter fraud admitted!
I assume you meant “lived in”.
I did.
I was typing in an awkward posture laying in the bright sunlight. Mistakes have been made.
I really don’t know. I have a BIL that I like very much. Fun guy. Intelligent. Was CEO of two different companies.
He had a Trump/Pence banner in his barn, at least back in 2016.
In any case, I don’t talk to him about politics. But my Wife sometimes does. She saw him recently and he was saying that Biden did the same thing that Trump did with reguard to the classified documents.
He is a FOX ‘news’ watcher. No real information can seem to break through that barrier.
And, of course, he lives in Texas and has been involved in the oil industry all his life (now retired)
It really comes down to gaslighting, doesn’t it? But on a national level. I wonder if gaslighters even know they’re not telling the truth? I feel at some level they MUST know, but some, like Trump, are so pathological that it makes you wonder.
I think it’s also part of the long con. Once hooked, people have a hard time believing that they would fall for such obvious lies and shenanagins.
Then, of course, they have to admit to others that they where played for a fool. Most people have a REAL hard time doing that.
People HAVE to believe the Nigeran prince will send them money. Sadly, it’s the only lifeboat they can see.
Side note/ When I screw up at work, I admit it. I don’t try to hide it. That earns you respect. If you don’t raise the red flag, and it gets discovered months later, it earns you disdane and lack of respect./SD
And right here I will say, oops. We are getting off track, partly because of me.
To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself—that was the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word—doublethink—involved the use of doublethink. -Orwell
Did I dream it, or did I recently see a vid of MTG reading an Orwell passage? It was surreal, so it may have been a bad dream.
Not to worry, all part of the conversation. I think you hit the nail on the head about why people will buy into the bullshite. Humility can be very liberating.
Deep thoughts. Good points.
Yes.
And people are often edged into it, bit by bit. The first thing to believe is from some reasonable viewpoints quite possible. The next one, only slightly less so; but they’re tied together. By the time the conned person has believed a few almost-believable things, the moderately implausible works its way in as part of the same package; and by the time they’ve believed a few moderately implausible ones, the completely crazy can be snuck in there. Especially when one of the moderately-implausible ones is ‘this information source is lying to you’ . . . then ‘that one is also’ . . . ’
The Supreme Court annouced they will issue a decision tomorrow (Monday, Mar 4) and it’s widely expected it to be on this Colorado case. Note that that’s the day before Super Tuesday. (gift link)
You saw it. She was comparing the removal of Confederate monuments to Big Brother rewriting history.
E.g. Florida talking about slaves learning life-skills or Texas calling them ‘workers.’
TBF I don’t recall Georgia trying to rewrite any texts but it would not surprise me.
No other states need to rewrite textbooks (for that kind of thing, at least) because Texas is such a large and unified market that all text book publishers make sure their books are acceptable to Texas. IOW, Texas sets the standards for virtually the whole country.
Scary.
Ruling is coming down now…
Court rejects 14th amendment push in Colorado. Trump stays on ballot.
Court wants congress to look at the issue.
9-0 decision, to boot.
The court in an unsigned ruling with no dissents reversed the Colorado Supreme Court, which determined that Trump could not serve again as president under section 3 of the Constitution’s 14th Amendment.
The court said the Colorado Supreme Court had wrongly assumed that states can determine whether a presidential candidate is ineligible under a provision of the Constitution’s 14th Amendment.
The ruling makes it clear that Congress, not states, has to set rules on how the 14th Amendment provision can be enforced. As such the decision applies to all states, not just Colorado.
“Because the Constitution makes Congress, rather than the states, responsible for enforcing section 3 against all federal officeholders and candidates, we reverse,” the ruling said.
Pretty much how I thought it would rule. I think it is the right decision and it should (but won’t) lead to him being kicked off of all 50+ 1 ballots in the general.
I am disappointed, but not in the least surprised.
I wonder, though, if this will impact the states being allowed to bar insurrectionists from state offices in their own state or if it only applies to federal offices. Thinking of the NM County Commissioner removed from office under the 14th.