Sjeesh. Is the Pope actually deluded and sheltered enough to think he is in a position to lecture anyone in the US at the moment? Why is he not deep in the Vatican licking his wounds, re-evaluating his values and in general waiting out the time untill the outrage about the child molesting has died down?
Talk about hubris. Talk about brutality.
At the *, it should say “not just the Jesuits (again) but every other Order…”
Do the nuns need the Church’s money, or are they self-supporting?
I don’t know what is the financial connection between the order and the RCC. Anyone have some pointers?
I want to feel sorry for the nuns, but come on ladies. This the Catholic Church. You knew what you were getting into when you donned the habit. I know lots of nuns don’t where habits anymore, but it wasn’t long ago that all nuns looked pretty much like women in Saudi Arabia.
And I promise I don’t still hold a grudge against Sister Mary What’s-Her-Name for whacking me on the knuckles with that 2" dowel for whatever silly offense I committed in class way back when.
I suspect a lot of the tension between the Nuns and the current Church is due to the current leadership (and given the age of the average Nun, much of the membership) of the Sisters joined around the time of Vatican II and expected the Church to continue liberalizing. So I’m not sure they really did know what they were getting themselves into.
My mothers family are religious Catholics (and includes several Nuns), and they’re sort of like this. They’re very attached to the idea of the Church as the dynamic, socially active, more ecumenical organization they pictured it was becoming in the 60’s, and are continuously disappointed as the Popes succeeding John XXIII have instead been focused on using the Church as international sex-police.
The female Orders I’m familiar with are self-supporting in Spain; this includes contemplative Orders (cloistered nuns), teaching Orders, Orders in hospitals and Orders in hospitality (houses for Spiritual Exercises, college dorms).
Priests get a small salary from their Diocese, but monks who are not priests do not.
Monasteries have a long tradition of supporting themselves by their own work; for example, la Trapa chocolates used to be made by a monastery of Trapa monks and MASH pillows (no relationship to the TV series AFAIK, but maybe the Mother Superior was a fan) are made by nuns in a monastery. Sweets, preserves, books on cooking, cooking programs on TV (specializing in “cheap, healthy and tasty”), embroidery work or translations are other sources of income I know of. Oh, and remote IT.
There this old Swiss nun that had a show on Argentinian TV (don’t fucking ask!). My husband and I had a blast watching her wipe the sides of the bowl with her fingers so nothing would be wasted. She always did that.
It brought memories of my Catholic school, it did.
I don’t know how much the Church has really changed since the 60s, and we tend to hear more about the sex police stuff than all the rest of what the Church is doing. Plus, things like SSM wasn’t even a topic 99% of the people in the US thought about in the 60s.
Don’t forget the beer!
“All across the nation, people are leaving the Church and going back to God”
As someone who has nothing but contempt for “social justice,” I wholeheartedly agree with the pope on this one.
Oh good lord. :rolleyes:
Exactly my thought. They are certainly welcome to nail up a list of their counter-beliefs and go worship separately if that’s what they think their god supports. Otherwise, they signed up for the heirarchy and aren’t the ones that get to make the rules.
Why not? Its their Church too, isn’t it?
Jesus be damned, eh?
Are you paying attention, Ratzi? Crafter Man is agreeing with you! If there were ever a sign that you need to reevaluate your position…
Well, this is Spain, they’re more into wine…
The nuns should send a message back:
Dear Your Holiness,
If the men of the Catholic Church would spend less time molesting children and having secret families, there would be less need for social justice.
Sincerely,
The Leadership Conference of Women Religious
Yeah, like that one guy in the Bible who was all on about social justice – I dunno, he had long hair, and was always talking about loving everyone, and helping out the poor and stuff? What was his name…
Sounds like the Pope needs his knuckles smacked with a ruler. The vast majority of nuns I’ve ever come across (in fact, I’d say all of them!) were all about social justice. My first grade teacher still wore the habit, and was always telling us the stories of Jesus helping the poor, the needy, the sick, etc.