This is the worst behavior by an athlete that I’ve ever seen in all the years I’ve watched the Olympics.
http://www.mmatko.com/angel-matos-cuban-taekwondo-kicks-referee-in-face-video-beijing-olympics/
That was disgusting. Ban this idiot for life.
And by the way, the fact that the ref just stood there and took the kick without even flinching proves what a joke tae kwan do is. Why is this crap in the Olympics?
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And by the way, the fact that the ref just stood there and took the kick without even flinching proves what a joke tae kwan do is. Why is this crap in the Olympics?
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Since when are Olympic events based on the soundness of their martial qualities? TKD is a martial SPORT. I don’t think anyone claims it’s more than that.
[QUOTE=Kinthalis]
Since when are Olympic events based on the soundness of their martial qualities? TKD is a martial SPORT. I don’t think anyone claims it’s more than that.
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The South Korean military undergoes TKD training, so presumably they think it’s more than that.
Banning him for life is mild. He ought to be arrested- that’s assault.
I’m impressed that the referee took it, though - presumably he wasn’t braced for it, so that had to hurt.
[QUOTE=Really Not All That Bright]
The South Korean military undergoes TKD training, so presumably they think it’s more than that.
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For overall health and fitness it’s a fine sport. As a serious combative it’s crap. However, given my first statement and the fact that your average soldier is probably going to be dead anyway if ever caught in a hostile situation without his rifle or sidearm I can see why it’s taught.
[QUOTE=Cisco]
That was disgusting. Ban this idiot for life.
And by the way, the fact that the ref just stood there and took the kick without even flinching proves what a joke tae kwan do is. Why is this crap in the Olympics?
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Stood there and took it? I don’t know what you were watching, but I saw someone get hurt.
I’ve practiced TKD for well over 20 years. I’ve seen the dilution of the ethics and basic life skills of courtesy, respect and self-control that has been happening. The Cuban competitor’s actions were reprehensible and he deserves the life ban that has been imposed on him. He should wind up doing hard time in a Chinese jail for that.
Unbelievable.
Oh man, that guy’s my hero.
Anywho, I can’t understand why the opponent from Kazakhstan was so happy. I mean yeah, he won the gold, but I wouldn’t want to win the gold that way; especially not to the point where he’s hopping around like a jackass.
[QUOTE=Clothahump]
Stood there and took it? I don’t know what you were watching, but I saw someone get hurt.
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TKD is a performance art. It’s a way to stay in shape, practice discipline, stay flexible, etc. This is what it looks like when a real fighter kicks you in the head.
[QUOTE=Cisco]
That was disgusting. Ban this idiot for life.
And by the way, the fact that the ref just stood there and took the kick without even flinching proves what a joke tae kwan do is. Why is this crap in the Olympics?
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Er… Yeah because street fight effectiveness is the standard in which all Olympic events are judged.
[QUOTE=Really Not All That Bright]
The South Korean military undergoes TKD training, so presumably they think it’s more than that.
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That is true but more as a means of physical discipline and exercise. I’ve also heard military TKD is different from sport TKD or “family-friendly” TKD that you may learn at friendly neighborhood McDojo. I’m going to get conscripted soon enough so, I’ll get back to you in two years.
But the ROKMC’s record of hand to hand combat in the Vietnam War was largely [mis?]attributed to TKD and played no small part in the formation of the MCMAP. Cite.
[QUOTE=RandMcnally]
Oh man, that guy’s my hero.
Anywho, I can’t understand why the opponent from Kazakhstan was so happy. I mean yeah, he won the gold, but I wouldn’t want to win the gold that way; especially not to the point where he’s hopping around like a jackass.
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Actually I believe he only won the bronze. Rager McBootHead would have gotten fourth place until he decided that Cuba should invade the referee’s face.
[QUOTE=Grey area]
Er… Yeah because street fight effectiveness is the standard in which all Olympic events are judged.
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TKD is the only mock sport in the Olympics. The basketball players don’t pretend to make baskets - they make them. The gymnasts don’t pretend to do somersaults - they do them. They boxers and the wrestlers don’t pretend to punch people and take them down, etc etc. They only thing I can think of that is even close is that fencers don’t actually stab people but that is for obvious reasons.
[QUOTE=Cisco]
TKD is the only mock sport in the Olympics. The basketball players don’t pretend to make baskets - they make them. The gymnasts don’t pretend to do somersaults - they do them. They boxers and the wrestlers don’t pretend to punch people and take them down, etc etc. They only thing I can think of that is even close is that fencers don’t actually stab people but that is for obvious reasons.
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What are they (TKD competitors) “pretending to do”? They punch and kick each other.
Really Not All That Bright, forget it. It’s MMA-town.
Cisco’s allusion to Cro-flop being a “real fighter” is a pretty good indicator of him being an MMA elitist. Same sort of fighter who talks about how his Traditional Martial Arts don’t actually get used, because of their “deadly skillz”, but on the other side (My MMA is far superior to your TMA, since fighting a guy in a cage with rules is the only true test or reason to learn anything, EVER!) of the coin.
That being said, Mr. Cuba wholeheartedly bought that lifetime ban. Good.
[QUOTE=Cisco]
TKD is a performance art. It’s a way to stay in shape, practice discipline, stay flexible, etc. This is what it looks like when a real fighter kicks you in the head.
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Cisco, I’ve seen some people make absurd statements about TKD in the past. You have now moved to the head of the pack.
I will agree that there are watered-down versions. But don’t paint the entire discipline with a broad brush like that. It simply makes you look foolish.
And here is just one knockout kick delivered in a TKD competition. There are a bunch of them on YouTube if you bother to look.
Cisco I agree with a lot of your thoughts on fighting, especially in MMA, but I think you’re way off base on TKD, even Olympic TKD. Last Olympics, a greek competitor got knocked out in the gold medal match.
[QUOTE=Really Not All That Bright]
The South Korean military undergoes TKD training, so presumably they think it’s more than that.
Banning him for life is mild. He ought to be arrested- that’s assault.
I’m impressed that the referee took it, though - presumably he wasn’t braced for it, so that had to hurt.
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I spent years in S. Korea and the military and police took Hapkido.
[QUOTE=Lanzy]
I spent years in S. Korea and the military and police took Hapkido.
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Are people seriously arguing for the martial soundness of TKD based on some knock out video on you tube of two TKD fighters going at it in the dojo?
A truly eh, martial, martial art is not going to include spinning kicks to the head. That stuff just doesn’t work in real life confrontations where there isn’t a ref making sure you abide by certain rules and where the other guy will close in quickly and throw you down.
[QUOTE=Kinthalis]
A truly eh, martial, martial art is not going to include spinning kicks to the head. That stuff just doesn’t work in real life confrontations where there isn’t a ref making sure you abide by certain rules and where the other guy will close in quickly and throw you down.
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Spinning kicks to the head work if your opponent isn’t trained and experienced in martial arts. Many, many moons ago I was in a fight in high school; I had just started studying TKD the previous spring, and I drew my opponent in close with an apparent opening in my defense. I threw a quick punch to the abdomen as a distraction then immediately did a jump spinning hook kick (with a really tight radius) that caught him square in the jaw and he was out like a light. Now sure, if I was fighting a Gracie or someone with lots of MMA experience, that wouldn’t fly. But how often do you run across someone with actual MMA experience?