I disagree. If Kansas lets California access their records then California will give Kansas access. All you need is a Congress-approved compact similar to the ones they have for driving records now.
OK, let’s test your theory. I’ll pick your first answer, Alabama.
In Alabama, you can present any of the following to vote:
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[li]Alabama driver’s license or non-driver ID card.[/li][li]U.S. passport.[/li][li]Student/employee ID card issued by a public or private university.[/li][li]Photo voter ID.[/li][li]Government ID card.[/li][li]U.S. military ID card.[/li][li]Tribal ID card.[/li][/ul]
The Alabama photo voter ID card can be obtained by having one of the following documents:
[ul]
[li]A student ID issued by a public or private high school.[/li][li]A student or employee ID card issued by a private university or postgraduate technical or professional school located outside the state of Alabama.[/li][li]An employee ID card not issued by a branch, department, agency, or entity of the US government, the State of Alabama, or any county, municipality, board, authority, or entity of the State of Alabama.[/li][li]Hospital/nursing home ID card.[/li][li]Wholesale club or other membership card.[/ul][/li]
Cite. (PDF, page 10)
A wholesale card can be obtained from Sam’s Club for $45. Cite.
Therefore, it’s clear that nowhere near thousands of dollars are necessary to obtain an acceptable ID to vote in Alabama.
So I can only conclude that you have no idea what you’re talking about, since the very first item on your list turns out to be in error.
You misunderstand. I live in Kansas. Kansas does not accept a wholesale club card. Kansas wants an official document (I cited the lists earlier, but here they are again:
Documents that are acceptable as evidence of United States citizenship for voter registration purposes:
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[li]Birth certiticate that verifies United States citizenship[/li][li]United States passport or pertinent pages of the applicant’s valid or expired United States passport identifying the applicant and the applicant’s passport number[/li][li]United States naturalization documents or the number of the certificate of naturalization[/li][li]Other documents or methods of proof of United States citizenship issued by the federal government pursuant to the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952[/li][li]Bureau of Indian Affairs card number, tribal treaty card number or tribal enrollment number[/li][li]Consular report of birth abroad of a citizen of the United States[/li][li]Certificate of citizenship issued by the United States Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services[/li][li]Certification of report of birth issued by the United States Department of State[/li][li]American Indian card, with KIC classification, issued by the United States Department of Homeland Security[/li][li]Final adoption decree showing the applicant’s name and United States birthplace[/li][li]United States military record of service showing applicant’s place of birth in the United States[/li][li]Extract from a United States hospital record of birth created at the time of the applicant’s birth indicating the applicant’s place of birth in the United States[/li][li]Only if the agency indicates on the applicant’s driver’s license or nondriver’s identification card that the person has provided satisfactory proof of United States citizenship, then a driver’s license or nondriver’s identification card issued by the Kansas Division of Vehicles or the equivalent governmental agency of another state within the United States[/li][/ul]
Acceptable forms of photo ID at the polls:
[ul]
[li]A driver’s license or nondriver’s identification card issued by Kansas or by another state or district of the United States[/li][li]A concealed carry of handgun license issued by Kansas or a concealed carry of handgun or weapon license issued by another state or district of the United States[/li][li]A United States passport[/li][li]An employee badge or identification document issued by a municipal, county, state, or federal government office[/li][li]A military identification document issued by the United States[/li][li]A student identification card issued by an accredited postsecondary institution of education in the state of Kansas[/li][li]A public assistance identification card issued by a municipal, county, state or federal government office[/li][li]An identification card issued by an Indian tribe[/li][/ul]
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However, I wasn’t born in Kansas. If I want to register and vote in my state of residence, I need a birth certificate issued by the state in which I was born. That might be Alabama, or Alaska, or Arizona …
In other words, I might have to spend a couple thousand bucks or more in Alabama in order to to be able to vote in Kansas, which is what I said earlier.
Yes, I do know what I’m talking about.
But Kansas (the political powers-that-be in Kansas, anyway) don’t WANT access to California records for that purpose. California is the land of fruits and nuts, the “left” coast, the bastion of liberals and illegals–for what purpose would Kansas want to make it easy for such people to vote?
That’s what I mean about lack of political will.
So without ID, how does a person work in Kansas.
Seems like at this site: Vital Records you can get your Alabama birth certificate for $15, or $30 if you expedite it. You can even get it online for an additional $7 fee.
When I sign into my polling place in New York City, the book not only has my printed name and address but a copy of my signature from my voter registration. I sign the book directly under my file signature. It seems to me that they are at least doing a cursory check to make sure my signature is at least similar to the one on file.
Well, the obvious answer would be that Kansas politicians want ex-Californians, who now reside in Kansas, to vote for them. With the current drought conditions in California, the wagon trains might be moving East any day now. 
OK, so before I go down the rabbit hole again, to be clear: you claim that if you live in Kansas and were born in Alabama, it can cost thousands of dollars to get an acceptable Kansas ID in order to vote. Is that correct?
They can’t get a new job, under current law.
People born before birth certificates were commonly issued, however, are usually now quite elderly, which means they are probably retired, or at least have held a job for many many years, since before the requirement for new hires to show proof of citizenship. Other people who don’t have IDs are very likely to be at the margins of society, which means they’re not working in regular employment either. The shade-tree mechanic and the lady down the road who babysits for cash aren’t being asked to show ID.
Again: are you claiming, specifically, that if you wish to vote in Kansas, and were born in Alabama, that securing the necessary documents can cost thousands of dollars?
Are you about to claim, specifically, that if you wish to vote in Kansas, and were born in Alabama, that securing the necessary documents can not ever cost thousands of dollars?
Hold on. Please. One step at a time. Let slash2k answer before attempting to redirect the train of thought.
If I now live in Kansas, was born in Alabama, but do not have an Alabama birth certificate on file, yes, it can cost thousands of dollars to obtain acceptable documentation to both register and vote in the state of Kansas.
I’ll save you the trouble: the relevant Alabama statutes are at Alabama code 22-9A-9 (delayed registration of birth) and 22-9A-10 (judicial procedure to establish facts of birth).
Note that I’m not saying it WILL cost thousands, merely that it CAN, depending on personal situation and what documents/records are available to me.
Alabama achieved 90% compliance with birth registration in 1927, although they are not thought to have achieved 99.9% until well after the Second World War. People whose birth was not registered at the time were more likely to be born in poor rural areas and, given Alabama’s racial history, were disproportionately likely to be black. (A 1940 study, e.g., showed that in rural and small-town Alabama, only about 80% of non-white births were registered [cite: Studies in the Completeness of Birth Registration; Part I, Completeness of Birth Registration in the United States, December 1, 1939, to March 31, 1940, published as Vital Statistics Special Reports v. 17 no. 18 by the U.S. Census Bureau, 1943, p. 228.]).
A lot of those unregistered will have obtained delayed birth certificates in the intervening decades, of course, and even those that haven’t may possess sufficient documents to convince the Alabama state registrar to do so now, or be able to obtain said documents relatively cheaply. However, if they don’t, then they have to file in an Alabama court and produce evidence sufficient to convince an Alabama judge. That’s not cheap.
Somebody born in rural Alabama back when isn’t going to have any naturalization documents, they are not likely to have any Bureau of Indian Affairs paperwork, and were probably delivered by a midwife rather than in a hospital. Without a birth certificate they won’t be able to have obtained a passport or a driver’s license/non-driver ID that shows citizenship. That leaves a birth certificate, a military record of service, or a final adoption decree as the acceptable proofs of citizenship to register to vote.
Once they succeed in getting on (or back on, if they are lapsed) the voter list, they may have some other options, including qualifying for the permanent advanced voter list, claiming a religious objection to photographic identification, or obtaining a state voter ID document.
My response to your demand is: No; I’ll ask Bricker whatever I want, whenever I want.
Is there any actual person who doesn’t have any single one of those documents?
Are you ready to make the claim that every actual person does have at least one of those documents?
He made no claim.
He asked a question.
Why don’t you just answer the question rather than trying to turn this thread into multiple pages of one-liner “uh huh”/“nuh uh” posts.?
Sure. I’ve linked to stories about some of them earlier in this thread. See post #55.
All of that stuff is only marginally relevant to the issue of Voter ID laws, however, because no one is proposing that the process of registering to vote be changed, and whatever paperwork you need to register, you could also use to get a photo ID, right?
I’m assuming that the vast majority of people who don’t currently have photo IDs are also not yet registered to vote.
Another point: Saint Cad said that he went to vote one time and someone else had already signed under his name. Also doorhinge mentioned that he knows two people that this happened to. This kind of fraud is something that I would have thought to be exceedingly rare. Could they have just signed in the wrong space, or did they specifically sign the name that was supposed to be in that space?
It’s quite ballsy for someone to do - show up at a polling station and tell them that you’re Saint Cad, when one of Saint Cad’s neighbors is likely to be right behind you or in front of you in line and would know you’re not him. The penalty for this is serious, and for what?