Well, he’s right. They were a Democrat thing. They currently are a Republican thing. Projammer just needs to catch up with the last five decades or so.
I mean, really, it has actually been more than half a century since Johnson pushed through the civil rights laws and drove Southern racists into the welcoming arms of the Republicans.
Hey, Projammer, did you know that we were at war with Vietnam at some point, and now we are active trading partners? Just wondering if you’re aware of any history between the mid-1960s and today.
Hey, OP, are you coming back? BTW, when I vote, I have to ID myself – I tell the person who I am and then I sign a paper. I don’t have to show ID, but I do have to ID myself, which is what you’re wondering in your OP. So, are you going to ask a moderator to close this thread?
Between 1880 and 2020 — the two major Parties havent changed their relative positions on racial justice. Got it. 
:smack:
Did you take your cue from your idol:
“Did you know President Lincoln was Republican? Not many people know that.”
I’m not putting you on Ignore, Projammer, despite the tremendous ignorance and/or stupidity and/or gullibility on display with your brilliant “idea.” I’ll keep reading you for laughs.
I always bring my driver’s license or passport along when I go to vote, in case I forget my name or where I live.
…adds Calavera to the “cunt” list…
Right then, carry on…
If the folks who want a Voter ID law were sincere, the acceptable ID would be provided by the Board of Elections, at the time that your registration to vote is processed, and it would be provided to you at no cost, placed into your hands by the Board of Elections, with as much embedded security as the most concerned citizen who ever worried about voter fraud could ever wish for. All ten fingerprints and closeup photos of each iris embedded on the back. Scan of signature. Holographic photo of the voter’s head. QR Code containing eight biological markers that match results that can be obtained by a skin scratch sample at the voting venue.
You’ll notice the “Hey we need Voter ID, because voter fraud!!!” folks aren’t advocating for that. They want to create requirements that voters come tromping in with other ID that a voter has to obtain from somewhere else, and oddly enough the forms of ID they wish to be acceptable for this purpose are disproportionately likely to be already owned by demographic groups who tend to vote Republican.
Projammer is clearly a bit of a cockwomble, but this conversation also shows the problems of speaking about the history of race relations and voter suppression as merely a product of left-wing and right-wing politics.
When Democrats were the party of segregation and Jim Crow, they also pressed many political issues that were on the leftish side of American politics. Many Democrats in the late 19th century, including those from the South, took populist positions and, like many farmers and working-class Americans, supported policies like railroad regulation, challenges to corporate monopoly, currency expansion, the income tax, and a reduction in the protective tariff. They argued, in many cases, in favor of government intervention to reduce inequality.
Southern Democrats were also big supporters of FDR’s New Deal. In fact, they actually used the fact that FDR needed them to pass legislation in Congress as leverage to exclude blacks from New Deal programs like Social Security, by excluding occupations where African Americans were disproportionately represented, like agriculture and domestic work. This was the so-called Southern Veto.
In the post-war period, plenty of Democratic supporters, in the South and the North, continued to support Democratic economic and regulatory policies while also doing everything possible to exclude blacks from the full benefits of American citizenship. There weren’t just anti-black riots in Birmingham and Selma in the post-war period; they were also in Detroit and Chicago and other northern cities, mainly aimed at preventing blacks from buying or renting houses in white neighborhoods. In big industrial cities like Detroit, some labor unions also did everything they could to minimize black advancement, often through the use of seniority laws that were not explicitly racist, but that made it almost impossible for blacks to get work or, if they did get hired, to get promoted. Democratic administrations at state and local levels also passed residential and school district zoning regulations whose main effects (and main aims) were to maintain segregated neighborhoods and schools.
For all of these reasons, and a bunch of others, I’m not sure that terms like “left” and “right” are always particularly useful when it comes to discussing race relations in America.
Just out of interest, what countries do you know?
I’ve lived for extended periods in three parliamentary democracies. Two of them, Australia and the UK, don’t require any ID at the polling place. Canada does, but the range of acceptable identification is vast, and is clearly designed to eliminate rather than erect barriers to voting.
More generally, I know people in all three of those countries who vote on either side of the political spectrum - left and right, liberal and conservative, however you want to put it - and never have I heard anyone express a desire to purge people from the electoral rolls, or make it harder to vote. In Australia, voting is actually compulsory (we can debate about whether that’s a good policy), and there has been no serious effort to change this rule by political parties anywhere on the political spectrum.
The United States seems to be unique, at least among western democracies, in having a significant contingency of citizens and politicians whose key aim is actually to reduce participation in the democratic process.
Many old people don’t have things like IDs, birth certificates, etc. In the state of Georgia, you need a photo ID to get a Voter ID card. We can get a State ID card to meet that requirement, except that it requires a birth certificate. No problem, we’ll just get a copy of our birth certificate which, well fuck me, requires a photo ID. It’s probably somehow possible to eventually get through this hell, possibly with the help of a lawyer, but it sure isn’t easy.
So, fuck off, asshole.
I’ve never heard a fellow Canadian suggest it was too easy to vote here, or that it should be harder. It’s easy to vote, and I think it should be easier still.
As I’ve noted many times, the Republicans did not get a plurality of votes in six of the last seven presidential elections (and that seventh one is questionable). The Republican party has not had popular support from the voters since Reagan was in office. So they’ve had to figure out ways to bypass democracy.
Actually, “Dispareate Impact” is not; however, “Disparate Impact” is an actual thing.
You must not live in an area where the places where you can get such identification have been closed down for good.
So if your house burns down with all your ID you are doomed to forever have no ID because you need ID to get ID? Yeah right, pull the other one.
TWEET!! Penalty, moving the goalposts, 15 yards and either answer the responses to your first post or concede the point before moving on to another topic.
Press on.
This is quite possibly a factor in the Republican opposition to vote-by-mail — after all, it’s not practical to have someone checking IDs (preferably with a couple of hulking “monitors”) at every mailbox in majority-Democratic neighborhoods.
When a ballot is received in the county where I live (Pierce), the signature on the outside envelope is scanned and compared to the signature on file. If it doesn’t match at that stage, it’s re-examined using the Mark I Eyeball. If it passes, the anonymous security envelope containing the ballot itself is removed and held for counting; if not, the person whose name is on the outer envelope gets a notification and request to a) confirm that it’s a valid ballot, and b) submit a new signature for file. Since I would guess upwards of 90% of ballots pass the automatic scan, there’s relatively little opportunity to ferret out “wrong” voters.
The Repbulicans aren’t against voting my mail. Look at Trump who recently voted by mail. They’re against voting by mail for other people, such as Democrats.
Actually, that’s pretty much what their whole viewpoint is now. They’re against good stuff for other people, but for it for Rebuplicans.
Well i didnt expect so much hatred and vitriol in this thread. I thought anyone would easily be able to get themselves an ID. Where i live i need a personal ID to get a job, to get a phone, to get a bank account, credit card. And ive never met anyone who dont have an ID – and a “Personal number” which everyone is born with which identifies who you are.
My sister in law who moved here from Hong Kong, had to get a Norwegian “workers number” to be able to begin a job she had gotten and a bank account number (for her wages to be payed into). It took some time since she recently moved to Norway, but not unreasonably so…
I cant imagine why anyone would want anyone to be able to vote, without demnading they be identifying that they are elegiable to vote, nd to cross them off the list after they voted.
Lots of people cannot vote here, there are obviously rules, but all parties from left to right are basically in an agreement of this.
Well this is all weird. USA is weird 
If you didn’t want vitriol, why did you post this in the Pit??
Here, you don’t need an ID to get a phone, poor people often don’t have bank accounts, they have low-paying or under-the-table jobs that don’t require ID, and they don’t have credit cards. There are also retired people who don’t have those things, or things were lost with no need to pay the money and take the time to get new copies – why get a license if you’re not driving anyway?
The people who want to require IDs to vote are the same people who are making it harder to get an ID – can I just use a utility bill and social security card? No! You need your birth certificate or passport or driver’s license. But, I don’t have those things…
The reason for registering as a worker, is to get all the workers benefits like pension and work insurance and other things…
No one is “born with” a “Personal number”. They are applied for, most often at the hospital at the time of birth (in the US). Otherwise, most of the posters in this thread are on-point. Whenever anyone tries to implement voter ID laws, it is not to protect the integrity of the vote. It is to disenfranchise the opposition. In recent times it is being used far, far more by Republicans to suppress the voting power of minorities.