I knew that. It was a joke.
I am a no emoji person. Don’t know why but there it is.
But we could be friends in life and not even know it.
That’s true.
If we’re still discussing this, “hot and bothered,” to me, is absolutely contextual and not de facto sexual. It can be sexual, but it’s just as often just means “agitated, angry.” Just Google “What’s got you so hot and bothered?” and see the examples. To say they’re all riffing on the sexual meaning of the phrase is odd, to me. It’s equivalent to me in connotation and meaning as “what’s got your dander up” or “what’s raising your cackles” or phrases of that nature. Learning that some people only know it as a sexual phrase is quite surprising to me.
The earliest sites I can find of it are from the late 1800s. Here’s one from the Annals of the American Academy of Politcal and Social Science, 1890:
:"Aren’t they always having arguments in Congress and getting themselves hot and bothered about something or other? "
Clearly, no sexual meaning is intended at all. It’s just a straighforward reading of the word “hot” (as in angry or agitated) and “bothered.”
Where does “You pulled it out of your ass” come in in terms of good form and “ad hominem,” and sexual suggestiveness for that matter?
hot and bothered
adjective phrase
Angry; fiercely indignant; pissed off, steamed up: Now don’t get all hot and bothered just because he didn’t call (1921+)
Not so Idle as we thought eh?
It doesn’t matter, I’d have given you a note for it too.
I think you’d be upset at being dinged for someone else’s crudity, though.
You’ve continued to ask the same questions throughout this thread. They be been answered in post #19 by me, and since I’m the one who gave the mod note, I think that’s about as direct an answer as is available. Do you understand the answer? If you disagree I’m comfortable with that, but if you don’t understand I can try to clarify.
I think it’s more scatological (fecal) than sexual, but your mileage may vary. It’s not directly ad hominem though — it’s an attack on the other person’s citation, their empirical or logistical support for the claims they’ve made in the debate, saying (not very politely) “Your so-called support for your claim is shit, it doesn’t bolster your claim at all”. It’s not ad hominem because it isn’t against the person, it’s against the person’s argument — even though it’s abusively phrased.
In contrast, a person’s being “hot and bothered” (whether for sexual reasons, anger reasons, or reasons of broken air conditioning) doesn’t have a damn thing to do with their arguments or the validity thereof, and to the extent that “hot and bothered” translates as “your state of mind is kind of messed up”, that reads to me as an attempt to discredit the PERSON as an illicit way of avoiding engagement with their POINT.
I was addressing their point of saying I pulled it out of my ass, if that indeed was their argument. How do you diagram that? Never mind.
I accept your explanation. If you were wrong about my usage, my language, and my intent sir, that’s on your conscience. I am done.
I’m sorry if you haven’t enjoyed the exploration here into aspects of this. I thought you might read on after you finished the subject with post 19, but maybe you didn’t.
I don’t see how to read the subsequent posts as a repetition of the same question though.
However I would never have thought of it as having any sexual conotation. Maybe in different areas?
To be fair it was said in the context of a lot of pulling things out of asses. It’s just that I wasn’t the one pimping that.
Maybe it’s an age thing, but it always had a sexual connotation for me, too. Per the top definition in the Urban Dictionary:
Now, this is not a universal understanding (per the other posts in this thread), but since it was a mod note and not a warning, it would seem that all is OK with the world.
I don’t think it’s an age thing, because I’m almost 60, and while I am aware of the sexual definition, it’s generally meant “upset and pissed off” to me.
Concerning the idea that a mean response negates a complaint, an in-kind response doesn’t negate any property of the triggering action.
One last thing: Gun owners fetishism is one thing that plays a big role in the gun debates. According to my understanding you can’t accuse someone in a thread of having an erotic attachment to something, like a gun. But this is an issue in the debate much more than fantasies about antifa or black helicopters or people coming for your guns.
The psychology of needing a gun to feel like an american or a man or a human, whatever, is a big deal, and it will never be discussed on the straight dope, because it’s against the rules.
The psychology of needing 1000 guns to feel OK is also at issue, but the discussion ranged from 'You pulled it out of your ass" all the way to “Horseshit.” So better luck next time for the intellectuals I guess.
The Urban dictionary is always going to have the most edgy meaning “on the street,”
which is by default always going to be about sex drugs or music somehow, at this point in our american greatness. In fact that is what the Urban Dictionary is selling: updating shit for the street. Log in every day for a new word…With a phrase going back 100 years you might get info that involved modding of the original meaning.
So what? The point is, the phrase can and is used in a way that has a sexual context. Now you know, and you leaned that without anything going on your permanent record.
So what? The urban dictionary is going to give you the answer that you knew you were looking for, as opposed to the actual usages that might apply.