To quote Lexicon himself, from this thread
So, clearly, Lexicon himself should have no problem with his own banning.
The thing is that Lexicon never got banned for what he said to Jodi. He got warned. There is a difference. With a warning, as unfair as you or he or whomever sees it, one can always go to a mod and say “I strongly disagree with this warning. I think you should retract it.”
He didn’t do that. He got banned not because of Jodi but because he turned around said “Oh yeah? What are you going to do about it? Ban me?”
I can’t think of any situation you’d be in, Manservant, where you wouldn’t, at the very least, have a chance to plead your case beforehand.
Just for the record, don’t think that what you all see on the board is everything that happens.
Last I saw of Lexicon he was on the Fabulous Forums of Fathom message boards.
One thread on there was asking how former members of SDMB felt about being banned, there are quite a number of banned members over at FFF.
Lex mentioned that he didn’t like certain aspects of SDMB but rather than get upset about it he simply stopped posting here, without drama or a ‘I hate you all and I’m leaving’ type of post, this was just after one or two had metioned that they had done pretty much that.
I am surprised he returned since I’ve not come across any posts here since he made that post having made what amounted to a statement of principle, ie If you don’t like it then walk away, don’t make like a bleeding martyr.
Lexicon Also posts from time to time at the Unaboards, a forum run by one highly respected poster here known to all as Anthracite
Finally, last I saw, Lexicon was dipping his toe into the waters of running his own message board but since I don’t have a link someone else will have to provide it.
If he is still running that board he may well be very busy, from what I’ve seen it takes a lot of personal investment of time to run or moderate a message board, what with hackers, tossers and idiots to navigate around.
Hope this addresses the OP without being too much of a hijack, you can return to normal service folks .
Of course you understand that isn’t what happened at all. And, unless you plan on not just ignoring a mod warning, but pretty much immediately responding in a challenging tone, there’s not much to worry about, eh?
Look, Man-Hec, there’s a simple answer here. Lexicon made a very jerky comment. TVeblen told him he was being a jerk and he should stop being a jerk. He refused, and was banned.
Jodi made a comment that, perhaps, a different mod on a different day in a different mood might have interpreted as being a jerk. If so, they would have warned her she was being a jerk. Then Jodi would have a choice: apologize and drop it, or continue being a jerk.
Lexicon wouldn’t have been banned for his “suck my dick” comment if he had apologized for it…or even if he had stopped posting in that thread and moved on. But instead he continued to make offensive comments.
Look, people don’t get banned without warning for insulting people. They get banned when they continue to insult people after being warned.
I agree that it is impossible to tell in advance exactly where the line is between energetic argument and jerkitude. But, if you are warned that you crossed the line then you DO know. You don’t have to worry about being banned for what you consider innocuous comments. Just don’t go into a screaming rage if a mod tells you to shut up. Instead you apologize if you feel you were wrong, or drop it if you feel you were right but don’t want to be banned.
Just caught this thread, I had wondered where Lexi had drifted off to as well. FWIW, I thought he was a decent poster and a hell of a flamer . . . but I guess thats what got him into trouble here.
My favorite line about this MB is still Lexi’s (actually it was in his original incarnation known as SmickD) :
“This place is as addictive as caramel coated crack.”
True dat.
Lexi was good for lines like that. Too bad he imploded.
- NM
sigh
Let me spell it out one more time.
I have no problem with the banning. Again. I have no problem with Lex having been banned. He asked for it, for God’s sake.
Now, I could go on and on, dragging this into the dirt. But I won’t, since we’re obviously getting nowhere.
I still think that there’s favorites being played here, and that opinion isn’t going to change as long as I keep seeing what looks like it. Others are going to come to the defense of the moderators, and that’s not going to change.
We have an irresistable force and an immovable object, in a manner of speaking. So, I’ll stop now, before I get another check mark next to my name on The Bad List.
MH, VEB has clearly stated that her admonishment of LEX and his subsequent banning was not motivated by dislike of him or like of me. I have clearly stated that I do not personally know any of the moderators – not even to the point of exchanging an e-mail, though I certainly wouldn’t mind being friends with most of them – underscoring that it is unlikely it would be done out of concern for me.
If you choose to continue to construe this as something done out of favoritism towards me, or disfavoritism towards LEX, and to reject in the process the obvious conclusion that his conduct was grave enough to justify banning while my conduct (whatever you may think of it) was not . . .
Well, that strikes me as your problem.
As myopia is obviously yours.
… who’s laughing?..
Glad to have made ya smile !
Personally, I think we can put this baby to bed now.
I’ve been around here for a little while, but Lexicon slipped under my radar. Never heard of him until this rhubarb started.
Having said that, I ask you:
What if the moderator really liked Lex and thouroughly detested Jodi?
Would the banning still have occurred? I think the answer is obvious. Lexicon clearly stepped over the line, was warned, and then stepped over it again.
If I was a moderator and he was my own brother, I would have said, “You put me on the spot, bro, and I have no choice but to cut you loose.”
I see no favouritism here, at all.
Actually, I’m extremely myopic in the literal sense, but I think my lack of metaphorical myopia here is incontestable. After all, you have made you point with such clarity and repetition that I could hardly misconstrue it even if I wanted to. You said:
You cling to this conclusion despite VEB’s protests to the contrary, despite mine, and in the face of conduct that by any objective standard would justify banning. Leaving aside the implicit insult to me and to VEB (what are we, a couple of liars?), your position seems to me to be without rational defense. Yet you cling to it.
I believe the definition for “seeing” something that isn’t really there is not myopia, but rather delusion.
I think that Manservant Hecubus is really the only one that sees favoritism. And he seems to be trying to see it. Plus, he’s being rather inconsistent in the point he’s trying to make. He says:
And then:
These seem to indicate different arguments to me.
Also, he says that he sees favoritism. Everyone else that has posted to this thread and spoken on the issue has said that they see a difference between Jodi’s comments and Lexicon’s. So either we all are playing favorites, or Manservant Hecubus’s impression is a bit different from everyone else’s. Either way, apparently, a large number of people agree with the distinction between the responses each got, and thus it would seem that the mods were not doing anything that could only be attributed to favoritism.
Basically, just because one person does not see the distinction, or even if one does not really exist, it seems that many people do see one, and it should not be a surprise that the mods here did as well.
And throwing up one’s hands in deference to some imagined Bad List is just BS, or perhaps a way of getting out of the argument without admitting the obvious fact that one’s accusations are not based on any rational view of the situation.
[Fixed your bolding. I guess you’re one of my “favorites” now. – Alpha]
[Edited by Alphagene on 09-01-2001 at 05:28 PM]
Do I sense a bit of paranoia or are you purposefully trying to make this your agenda? There are no teacher’s pets, there are no favorites, if someone acts like a jerk they get banned. Pretty simple, eh?
What is it you are having a hard time grasping here?
after taking a second look over the situation, it appears the ban has semi-warrented cause.
must be that bad mojo going around.
however–to me–the idea of kicking a long time contributor off the island becuase s/he may have had a bad fuckin’ day and wasn’t very tolerable, is entirely lame. it upsets me that this place is starting to eminate “survivor series” overtones…
“YOU have been voted off the island!”
“YOU are no longer part of the tribe!”
“WE the tribe shall shun and insult you at will, and hold a single instance against you, to which you shall not respond!”
anyway, regardless of what nonsense has been said, and/or how the moderators-administrators routinely portray themselves in action, i don’t see this board currently being run impartially.
::sigh::
Whew, thank god we passed the John487 Immunity Challenge.
How about we base bannings on intellect, like on other TV shows? In which case, John487:
You ARE the weakest link. Goodbye.
Fucknoggin.
Well. it’s not much of a pass,Alphagene.
It’s only semi-warranted, and that’s after a second look, so it’s unlikely to be upgraded to mostly-warranted; unless there’s a third and fourth look in the works.
Still, it’s something.
Stay tuned. Next week we’ll reveal who The Mole is.
Anyway, the issue of Lex’s banning is pretty much complete. It seems like the only disagreement that is left is the occasional subjective nature of our decisions. And it doesn’t seem like our answers are going to satsfy those who are upset, anyway.
If you’d like to discuss the extensive web of politics and scandal we mods base our severely biased bannings on, or if you’d rather pine for days of yore with an inflated nostalgia that would make the Pepperidge Farm guy blush, go ahead and start a new thread.