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I do want to be clear: I don’t actually think it’s the mother… or anyone in particular (even the victim herself) at this point. I do expect that this will not be an unsolved mystery for long, whether homicide, suicide, or accidental death (and don’t rule that out, either: first, this could be a different model of oven than what was in the Tik, second, just because safety features, when operating properly, should have prevented accidental death, it should never be assumed that such features were in fact operating properly).
I changed the title to reflect that the place and manner of death seems to be unknown.
That’s a good change.
I’m skeptical about the suicide theory.
Yes people commit suicides in painful ways sometimes, but usually in ways where once you start it’s very difficult to stop (eg immolation) and being seen to be in pain is a big part of doing it.
I can’t see someone slowly roasting in agony.
Although, a silly suicide idea, then followed by an accident or faulty latch say, starts to look more plausible.
The simplest explanation is that she was murdered and then hidden in the oven, with the added benefit to the killer that DNA and other evidence would be destroyed.
The other question is why the HVAC system didn’t distribute any odors throughout the store.
That should have alerted Walmart security and anyone else inside the building.
Because it gets exhausted outside, not throughout the store.
Not that simple. That means the murder occurred off camera (where? the bathroom?) and then a dead body was moved while the store was open but yet nobody saw a thing, AND I have a hard time believing anyone would murder a teenage girl who’s working her job in the middle of a big-box store populated with customers, other employees, the occasional manager …
The cameras are for the sales floor or other places where theft is likely to occur. It happened in the evening and likely in the back of the bakery when not a lot of people were there. The mother was looking for the daughter in the bakery, so I assume that’s where the daughter was working.
I don’t think it’s quite time to bring out “the razor.” The simplest explanation is… we don’t have one yet, and don’t need one as the investigation is in its early stages.
Too bad. If everyone gets to postulate what happened, so do I. Sorry it’s not as interesting as “she walked into the oven in order to kill herself”. Note I didn’t say it was the only possible explanation, just the simplest.
As all true crime fans’ SOs know, murders fail to destroy the evidence by burning (or roasting) the body, since very few house fires raise it to crematory levels. Strangulation breaks the hyoid bone, suffocation causes excess fluid in the pleural tissue, etc. The only undetectable cause of death is when the ME doesn’t bother to detect for it. And now they test for many more things that have achieved notoriety (ruining it for those few wives who knew what a regular lacing of his morning coffee with Visine can achieve).
Just so long as we’re all clear that we are still very much in the uncertainty/speculation phase, not the probability/conclusory stage.
The back areas in my grocery store have cameras as well. Employee/vendor theft can be a major issue - about ten years ago one of our locations here in WA busted a Little Debbie vendor who’d stolen about $80,000 worth of product from us over the course of several years.
For that matter, we used to have an assistant manager who’d sit in the security office during his downtime and watch employees in the back to make sure they weren’t slacking off.
Yes, I’m well aware, which is why I wrote “or other places where theft is likely to occur.” That would also include loading docks, in case someone was going to add that.
Lol!!
I didn’t realize you’d become the thread monitor. Or moderator.
To the best of my knowledge, the only parts of our store that don’t have camera coverage are the bathrooms and one specific conference room that we use for new employee orientations.
That sounds ominous…
In Walmart the dressing rooms are also non-cams (as you’d expect).