Wanted: a sensible explanation of why parents don't want kids exposed to sex but violence is okay

I agree. In the U.S., the scenario put forth by the OP is very common, but this is not the case in many other cultures, even those relatively “close” to ours, such as some European ones. There does not seem to be any universal aspect of human nature in which sexuality is seen as a taboo childhood exposure while violence is not. In some, it is more or less the other way around, and in others, both or neither is especially frowned upon.

Even within our own culture and its sub-cultures, (U.S.) standards vary widely.

While some might put forth explanations which seem sensible to them or in theory, I am convinced it ultimately comes down to deeply ingrained attitudes regarding sex and/or violence (sex as shameful, “dirty”, sinful, etc..and violence as a pervasive and often glorified part of our “national heritage”, e.g. the cowboy gunslinger, the soldier, the “good guy” using violence to right wrongs and inflict vengenace ala Dirty Harry and the glamourized outlaw seen as fighting the system..Dillinger, Bonnie and Clyde, et al).

Back when I worked with young children, I saw this all the time…parents who had no problem allowing their kids to watch the most violent material but were up in arms over them being exposed to the slightest hint of sexuality. Almost to a one, the parents with this view were conservative, politically and/or religiously. The more “liberal” parents often held the reverse perspective, seeing sex as less of a threat than violence (esp. those whose views placed them firmly in the sub-culture).

The suggestion that children can somehow understand the fantasy nature of fictional violence but NOT fictional sexuality doesn’t really mesh with what we know about (young) children. They usually lack the cognitive maturity to fully grasp that EITHER is fictional and tend to take things they watch at face value, including advertising.

There is certainly a lot of evidence that exposure to fictional violence encourages more violent play and other behavior in children (anecdotally, I used to DESPISE the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and Power Rangers, having to spend so much time dealing with the violent play and the frequent escalations into ACTUAL fighting such exposures generated among the boys in my classroom:smack: PLEASE, I would think, let them watch Pee Wee’s Playhouse or something instead! And PLEASE, stop cramming the little GIRLS full of Dinsey princesses :rolleyes:)

But see, every culture inculcates their offspring with the dominant values of the culture, consicously and unconsciously. In ours, boys/men have long been raised to be violent and agressive (soldiers, providers, protectors) and girls/women to be passive sexual objects and victims.

We can come up with all sorts of “sensible” explanations re’ our biases, but most of the time, they are simply biases we hold at such a deep level that we don’t know WHY we do.

But they make perfect “sense” when seen as the generational mechanisms by which we generate adults who fit the roles our culture requires to perpetuate itself. We are one of the most war-like cultures on earth, for example, and we tend to produce males (esp) who are primed for the war which is bound to come along in their generation. We are also one of the most materialistic/consumerist, and we inculcate our young from birth with those values.

In contrast, certain cultures where peaceful cooperation and communal property/living are the most valued traits, there is an entirely different array of parenting beliefs and practices.

There are cultures in which sexuality is very much out in the open and young children are encouraged to emulate it, to play at sex (even to the point of engaging in it with one another). And others in which children are conditioned from birth to violence and cruelty, since stoic, ruthless warriors and women supportive of them are the valued result (and open sexuality is taboo).

I think this cultural diversity and the way it perpetuates itself is about as sensible an explanation as you are likely to get. JMHO.

eta, there is no evidence that exposure to normal, healthy, consensual sexuality, including nudity, is in any way damaging to children, esp. in the context of a culture which sees it as no big deal. Some evidence that exposure to violence, even fictional, can be, even in a culture which sees nothing wrong with it.

JFTR, children ARE sexual beings, from birth (even before…images of fetuses mastubating have been taken).

Adults, overall, tend to have a very hard time dealing with or accepting this reality.

Newsflash: Young children, even INFANTS, masturbate and have a very active “sex life”/sexuality. They “play Dr.”. They experiment with themselves and one another. They are curious about sex and often much more aware than given credit for.

This is all perfectly NORMAL and HARMLESS, esp. prior to puberty, when sexuality begins to assume a more adult form and the risk of pregnancy and/or STDs enter the picture. Seriously, WHAT, exactly, IS the terrible danger of kids playing with sex? Loss of virginity? (something many cultures regard as totally meaningless but which others value above all reason, but highly unlikely to be “lost” during typical childhood sex play. Hell, I think I lost MINE, physically speaking, riding horses and bicycles or something LONG before I ever had penetrative sex at age 19. Either that or I was born with a residual hymen). Orgasm? (why so threatening?)

Innocence my ASS. :dubious: But on the other hand, it IS perfectly innocent.

Adults (at least in certain cultures, the U.S. included) tend to project their own ideas and feeings about sex onto kids, not understanding that adult sexuality and childhood sexuality are very different things. And to be positively MORTIFIED about the entire subject when it comes to their kids. Might have something to do with their OWN upbringing in this respect.

This distortion of childhood sexuality takes some very damaging forms, from shaming a child re’ their genitalia and normal sexual feelings/practices to rationalizing the sexual ABUSE of children by adults (well, they ARE “sexual beings”…they enjoy it…etc…) :mad:

One of the signs of sexual abuse is a child who is overly fixated on sex, masturbates compulsively, and/or acts out adult sex acts. The symptoms differ marketly from normal, healthy childhood sexual expression, which takes its own form, is not “compulsive” but spontaneous and casual.

I was masturbating (as in actively seeking pleasure/orgasm through self manipulation) as early as 4. Probably earlier. Over the years, I’ve become very skilled at it. :smiley:

But as a child, there was nothing at ALL involved as far as adult fantasies, connotations, or anything other than, “this feels good.” It was something I would do in the same way I would sneak a cookie or climb a tree. It carried absolutely none of the associations or connotations adults tend to place on it, and of which I was more or less completely oblivious of.

Had some adult tried to engage me in sexual activity, I would have been shocked, terrified and mystified…but I played sex games (mainly of the “show me/let me touch yours and I’ll show you/let you touch mine” variety) with a series of boys my age from 6 on. We knew it was taboo (so we hid to do it) but there was no guilt, no complex, adult connotations or anything else involved…we’d play sex then we’d go off and play cowboys and Indians or something. No big deal.

But considering that in our culture ADULT masturbation and other sexual activity is widely considered taboo, still, it is no wonder that we remain so hung-up on/shockingly in denial of childhood sexuality. :smack:

That just plain isn’t true.

That just plain is or isn’t true, depending on which European country you are living in and using as your reference case.

Surprisingly, Europe is not one country, one culture, one language. There are quite large differences between Malta and Scandinavia, or Italy and Britain, or Spain and Poland. Or all of them plus all the other countries/cultures you find in Europe.

ETA: This ad was (claimed to be) for the French market…

All depends on the location. “Lil’ Cletus, quit fuckin’ yer sistuh !”

I see what you did there

Ok, I’m Irish, I live in Europe, I have been all around Europe, I know it isn’t one country.
By and large though, in any European country you won’t get anything but veiled sex references (like the one you posted) in public.

I thnk the sex thing is a relic of the Puritan past-sex was associated with the fall of man-expulsion from Eden. Witness the mass nonsense about Janet Jackson showing some tit on TV.
Violence is OK because it sells products-as usual, the almighty dollar rules.
Quite a bizarre situation.

My take on the matter:

  • Neither sex nor violence are inherently “bad”. Take violence. Violence in defence of yourself, your family, community etc. is not inherently “bad”, but sometimes a necessity; violence in the context of sports is even fun. Similarly, sex is not “bad”, it is just its expression in inappropriate ways which is “bad”.

  • What is “bad” in both cases is doing either inappropriately, for the wrong reasons, to excess, outside the bounds of acceptable behaviour.

  • Even very young children need to understand the bounds of behaviour surrounding violence, and how to deal with violent fantasy. It is okay to dress up like Batman, the superhero; it is not okay to pretend your sister in the Joker and sock her in the mouth, like you see on TV.

  • You cannot shield children from aggression violence, because even in their own lives there is going to be some.

  • However, the rules surronding sex and dealing with sexual fantasy are mostly alien to young children.

  • Therefore, it makes sense to treat violence, and how to control it, as a topic for young children and sex (and its rules and codes) as a matter for older children or teens.

Because I said so…

Fair enough.

However, my original point stands that the specific sex/violence culture of the US is just the US’s culture and not anything inherently biological or universal.

The US obsession with sex is extremely unusual from a British perspective. The Janet Jackson lunacy being a case in point.

We assume it’s directly connected to your similarly bizarre obsession with Christianity. To the point you actually seem to take it seriously.

:dubious:

That is, frankly, not my impression. Sometimes It seems as if there’s a British MP involved in a “kiss and tell” story roughly every six months. :smiley: