The apology,
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=20797978#post20797978
The warning,
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=20815929#post20815929
Which puts me in the small handful of posters that actually got warnings for saying ‘fuck you’ in the Pit.
CMC fnord!
That example seems to stretch the notion of getting warned for apologizing.
Moderation is subjective. There’s a human reading and evaluating what’s going on.
We cannot read every post on the board and often rely on reports of what is perceived by the community as bad behavior. So you have that factor as well, the situation is being filtered through their judgment of the situation and their rendering of the rules as they understand them.
And context, always, Always, is everything.
So we strive to be as correct as we can be in every situation. Sometimes we misunderstand. Sometimes we just plain miss it. Sometimes the decisions are not popular for any number of reasons.
More often than not we get it right but hey, nobody bats 1000. That’s why if you think it’s a bad call you can appeal. You may be right; if so, we’ll correct it. You may also be mistaken. That judgment call thing runs both ways.
Again, the point of notes and warnings is to point out bad behavior and to guide the user to better choices. It’s not so much the message itself but the greater lesson offered in it, that’s what matters here. We want you to correct this behavior, go forward, and sin no more. That’s really all there is to it.
Jenny
your humble TubaDiva
Administrator
Evil Nazi Jackbooted Mod Emeritus
With apologies to you officer…then whines like a baby about his ticket for doing 110 in a 45 zone.
Let me guess. You told someone “I’m sorry you’re an idiot”, right?
Okay, never mind.
I’ve had two reversed. Both times I didn’t have a reasonable opportunity to see the initial mod warning ‘of don’t do this or you will get a warning’ before posting the offending comment. On a 3rd one that I also appealed the mod pointed out to the other 2 reversals and the warning stuck. The 3rd one however was a bit different is that I misses the Mod’s warning posting in the ‘noise’ of the thread, the other two it was because I composed my post over some hours so didn’t see any mew postings including the Mod’s warning. But the reversals is kind of a warning in itself as they stick just like the warning.
Of course, he didn’t get the warning “for apologizing” at all. He got it for making it clear he knew the rule and decided to violate it anyway.
I’ve no problem with the way Miller tried very hard to never really enforce the stupid Ed required language rules in the Pit. The apology was for making Miller type out yet another non-warning warning to yet another poster that voluntary broke Ed’s stupid rule.
If I hadn’t apologized Miller wouldn’t, I’m reasonably certain, have warned me for my first violation of the Pit language rule. By apologizing I took away Miller’s cover.
In the end I take a weird pride in being in that rare group of posters warned for saying ‘fuck you’ in the Pit. I’m almost certain the Mods would welcome everyone else feeling, something like, that way about their minor warnings.
CMC fnord!
I’m 100% certain they would not. Believe it or not, we don’t actually like giving warnings (or at least I don’t). I very much dislike it when posters put me in the position of having to issue a warning by indicating that they are deliberately breaking a rule.
To be clear.The ‘feeling’ is ‘Fair cop, got me dead to rights, nothing I can complain about’.
Also, I deliberately broke a rule that was rarely actually enforced and enjoyed almost no support (including, IMHO, the person required to enforce said rule).
CMC fnord!
While we appreciate it when posters admit that they committed an offense when they have done it inadvertently, I really don’t like it when someone says, “I know this is going to get me a warning, but it’s worth it” We would rather you not disobey the rules in the first place. There’s zero to be proud of in what you did. You just made a difficult job more difficult.
Yep. That’s what got me my (next to last) warning. I not only said “Fuck you!” to a now-banned poster, but I returned to a post and added that sentiment on edit.
There aren’t any reversed warnings. Look up the Shodan banning, he had 11 warnings with 3 reversals. The way the totals were presented it was obvious that all warnings were counted including the supposedly reversed ones.
How was it obvious? Because they weren’t expunged from the record and made anathema to mention?
https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=22302119&postcount=65
Quoting Jonathan Chance
Many. Checking, he had eleven warnings since 2012. Three of them were later reversed on appeal. He had warnings in Great Debates, certainly. But he got them in IMHO, ATMB (Nice trick, that), and The BBQ Pit (another nice trick, that one).
There were also endless notes.
But what’s really indicative to me is that he was always in trouble of one sort of another. He’d get a warning, appeal it and maybe get it walked back. But he never changed. Even with the warnings being reversed he never seemed to take the lesson of ‘Maybe I’m breaking rules and should dial it back’ or even, ‘I wonder why I’m getting all these warnings?’ other than to blame it on moderation. It’s akin to Nixon blaming his tsuris on the liberal media rather than his own sense of persecution and overreaction.https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=22302119&postcount=65
The reversed warning still counted against Shodan. I really don’t care if he was banned or not, I am just trying to point out the futility of fighting a warning. It is still there. Forever.
https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=22302119&postcount=65
Quoting Jonathan Chance
Many. Checking, he had eleven warnings since 2012. Three of them were later reversed on appeal. He had warnings in Great Debates, certainly. But he got them in IMHO, ATMB (Nice trick, that), and The BBQ Pit (another nice trick, that one).
There were also endless notes.
But what’s really indicative to me is that he was always in trouble of one sort of another. He’d get a warning, appeal it and maybe get it walked back. But he never changed. Even with the warnings being reversed he never seemed to take the lesson of ‘Maybe I’m breaking rules and should dial it back’ or even, ‘I wonder why I’m getting all these warnings?’ other than to blame it on moderation. It’s akin to Nixon blaming his tsuris on the liberal media rather than his own sense of persecution and overreaction.
The reversed warning still counted against Shodan. I really don’t care if he was banned or not, I am just trying to point out the futility of fighting a warning. It is still there. Forever.
Moderating
Let’s not hijack this into a discussion of Shodan.
I got one for agreeing with someone.
No you didn’t. You’ve received warnings for various kinds of jerkishness, but never for agreeing with someone.