Was Nero Wolfe's Fritz gay?

In the Rex Stout novels, we have four grown men living under one roof, nonew of them in any really permanent relationship, three out of four of them with no women in their lives whatever. But the only one of the four men I’ll say is probably gay is Fritz Brunner, Wolfe’s live-in gourmet chef.

Wolfe I’ll give a pass to because he’s obviously asexual, for all practical purposes. His open misogyny isn’t a symptom of an impaired homosexuality, but a more general sympton of his control-freak nature. He fears that he cannot control his feelings about women if he comes in too much contact with them (and alludes to being a great romantic in his past) so he rejects the entire gender as hopelessly irrational and unreliable. He sublimates his sexual feelings in his orchids. (More about that later.) I also suspect his enormous weight was not merely the consequence of his taste for fine food and plenty of it, but served as a buffer between him and women.

I’ll give Archie a pass as well. Granted, despite all his womanizing, he has never found a woman he’d marry, though Lily Rowan is a clear candidate. But I give Archie a pass for his prolonged sowing of wild oats on the Simpsons principle. That is, it’s necessary that the characters don’t age to keep the string going. If Stout had aged his characters in time with his writing career, Wolfe would most likely dead inside two decades, or if not dead transformed into a febrile hulk. hardly able to stir from his bed. So Archie’s prolonged womanizing isn’t cover for gayness, it’s the product of an unnatural fictional narrative neccesity.

heodore Horstmann isn’t enough of a character to have any kind of sexuality. He just a fixture in Wolfe’s orchid nursery. If he had any personality other than being the guy who tends Wolfe’s orchids, I colud guess about his sexuality, but I can’t. Other than being in an all-male household with no known women in his life, there’s no grounds for it. He could be gay, or he could, like Wolfe, be sublimating his sexuality via orchid obsession. He could even be sublimating a gay sexuality via orchid obsession. One guess is as good as another on the basis of Horstman’s near total lack of personality.

Now, Fritz is much more of presence in the Nero Wolfe novels. Like the others, he has no women in life. But we also know him as a man who giggles. As Archie once said, “Ordinarily, I’d be unsure of the fundamentals of a man who giggles, but not Fritz.” We also knows he spends all his time cooking for other members of the Wolfe household (though, curiously, there is little or no mention of Horstmann joining Archie and Wolfe for a meal). He’s extremely concerned for Archie and Wolfe’s safety, but clearly a noncombatant when it comes to dealing with tough guys. (That’s Archie’s job, in part.) He’s always speaking admiringly of Archie for his braveness and so forth, and has a childlike faith in Archie’s ability to bring in clients. He dotes on Archie and bickers with Wolfe a lot. He’s clearly an old queen, with Wolfe as the husband figure and Archie as the child figure (adult child figure, that is).

I must confess however that my real life gaydar is sadly deficient. It may well be that my literary gaydar is off, too. So I thought I’d see what others think.

I’d never really given this much thought, but now that you mention it, I can imagine Fritz sneaking away for an occasional dalliance with P.G. Wodehouse’s Jeeves, who appreciated good cooking.

I’m just relieved you’re giving Archie a pass, since he was the first literary character I ever had a crush on.

“Gay? I am SWISS.”

– Fritz Brenner, paraphrased from somewhere or other within the Canon.

I’m not anywhere near as much a Nero Wolfe Geekas I am a Sherlock Holmes Geek, but I do recall reading in some novel or other about Fritz’ lady friends, and the implication seemed to be that he was straight. I’m not geek enough to recall which book or books, though.

About Wolfe, he’s a classic example of someone who suffers from agoraphobia. Agoraphobia is usually translated as “fear of open spaces,” but really it’s more like a fear of not being in control. Agoraphobes stay in places where they feel safe, ie their house, and only leave them when absolutely necessary. Obviously, it’s pretty much impossible for someone like this to maintain a relationship, unless they could find a partner who is such a total doormat that the agoraphobe can feel that he/she “controls” their lover.

Did Theodore live in? I always pictured him going home at night to Frau and a zillion rambunctious children – which is why he was so happy to escape to the peace and quiet of the orchid rooms.

I don’t have the books in front of me, but reference is made periodically to Fritz and his ladies. So, not gay. Theodore was a mama’s boy (lived upstairs with the orchids, except on weekends when he went home to NJ to be with his mother). Archie didn’t like him, so all of my feelings about Theodore are colored by Archie’s feelings, so I always assume he’s asexual or at least too unpleasant for either male or female company. But that’s Archie getting in the way.

Archie notes that Wolfe sometimes has Archie place a female client/witness’s chair in such a way that Wolfe can look at her legs. So, he may not be into relationships, but he apparently enjoys looking. Of course, in different thread I surmised (not seriously) that Wolfe and Fritz had a relationship. There are 2 chairs in Wolfe’s house that were built for him to sit in–the one in his office, and the one in the basement, which is where Fritz lives.

Regarding the orchid thing from Wikipedia

Orchis is a genus in the orchid family (Orchidaceae). This genus gets its name from the Greek orchis, meaning **“testicle”, ** from the appearance of subterranean tuberoids.

So Wolfe and Theodore Horstmann are both suspect.

He reminded Archie of “sour milk” (In the Best of Families, Viking, 1950). Considering how Archie feels about milk, that’s a pretty strong opinion.

I’d venture to guess that Wolfe put a good chair in Fritz’s apartment so they could both relax while they planned menus. Comfier than the kitchen.

I am not proud.

Also, wasn’t there a dart board down there? In one book Wolfe takes up throwing darts as his 'exercise program.

Those were JAVELINS, and the board was in the office as I recall.
I doubt that Wolfe would walk that far to get his exercise. :slight_smile:

Ah, right, right.

Clearly it’s been too long since I read these books.

If I recall correctly . . .

There was one novel that actually explained the relationship between Nero and Horstmann - both were freedom fighters in Montenegro, and one saved the other’s life (I think Horstmann saved Nero) which is why Nero has him in his household. If I remember the story correctly, some of the things they did in the past caught up with them. I think they actually both went back to do something . . . it was so long ago that I read it, I can’t remember, and the books aren’t in the library in this house, and I don’t feel like driving 2 hours to check them at the other house.

I seem to remember a femme fatal involved . . . . someone close to both Nero and Horstmann . . . .

Any hints?

Olive

I think The Black Mountain involved a return to Montenegro. The guy who owned the restaurant was killed over some old political fued, was he not?

There was a story concerning Wolf’s daughter, IIRC.

Ahh, Rex Stout. Nero Wolf. Good times. Now I want to go watch the TV show again.

The Parent Hunt?

In Murder by the Book, Fritz refers to his heterosexuality: “If you need any help with the ladies, for my age I am not to be ignored. A Swiss has a long usefulness.” Other than that, I’m hard pressed to think of any reference to the subject in any of the books.

Carla, Wolfe’s adopted daughter, was introduced in Over My Dead Body and then pretty much ignored until she was murdered in The Black Mountain. Wolfe’s boyhood friend Marko Vukcic, proprietor of Rusterman’s restaurant, also died in that one. Horstmann’s only reason to be part of the household was that he was the “best orchid nurse alive.”

There was a Mother Hunt and a Father Hunt but no parent hunt.

The dartboard made its only appearance in The Rubber Band. The board was marked with playing cards, so five darts could compose a poker hand, and Archie resented the fact that Wolfe’s exercise was costing him (Archie) a lot of money.

Stout wrote a lot, and didn’t mind the occasional inconsistency. Characters evolved, changed names, swapped identifying characteristics. Mostly, Stout set himself the challenge of writing American-style murder mysteries with virtually no violence and even less sex, and managed it nicely. Wondering what’s beyond the frame of the painting can be a fun game, but I think it’s a mistake to drag the artist into it too much.

It could be that I was smoking the crack, but I seem to recall that the relationship between Archie and Wolf in the early books was so complicated and nuanced that it suggested, well, perhaps not homosexuality as such, but a deep emotional entanglement. In later books I didn’t get quite that sense, though Wolf and Archie always dealt with eachother in a way that suggested more a familial relationship than that of an employer and employee, as I think becomes explicit in A Family Affair.