Was The Beyonder the most powerful character ever, in the Marvel universe?

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Perhaps Magneto couldn’t affect the Surfers outer skin (it’s possible but I don’t know either way), but he certainly could affect the board and depending upon the SS’s physical make-up, he could affect things like the iron inside of his body.

Professor X and Jean Grey could convince him he’s a chicken or leave him a blubbering mass of shiny goo. Given enough time I think Reed Richards or Dr. Doom could invent a little something something that’d knock him for a loop.

The SS is pretty one dimensional in his abilities. His power is awesome, but it’s never much of a surprise and there are areas that could be taken advantage of.

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Sadly, I canNOT recall the issue number or which Spidey title it was. However, when the Beyonder came to earth, the Puma was reminded of his tribe’s legends warning of “He Who Comes From Beyond”. The same legends told that it was the Puma’s destiny to protect the world from this entity. For a time, the Puma accepted his destiny and moved in perfect unison with it. This had the outward effect of making him 10 feet tall and glowing. The Beyonder revealed that it also made the Puma “powerful enough to kill even me.”.

But, like Thanos, Adam Warlock, Doom and many others, Puma’s status as heavyweight champion of the universe was only temporary.

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The Power Cosmic is the ability to manipulate all matter and energy, right? Surfer is imbued(sp?) with the Power Cosmic. As described, that would give him the power to change ‘reality’ at his whim.
I know he isn’t written that way in the actual books, but neither is Galactus half the time. No one doubts his power. Its just that all some writers can come up with for displays of power are really big force blasts. I’m coming off like this huge Surfer fan, but I’m not. I think he has all the personality of a doorstop. Its just that any person that can move a mountain without touching it can warp reality. And if you all don’t stop doubting me I’m gonna call him and have him transmute your heads into Dragonball-Z characters.

So there.

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AFAIK, wrong.

The Power Cosmic makes SS nigh indestructable, massively strong, removes the need for oxygen, food, and sleep, gives him a cosmic direction sense, enables him to move at speeds approaching those of light(he must shift into hyperspace to exceed the speed of light), gives him telekinetic control of his board and allows him to project various forms of energy.

AFAIK, SS can only manipulate matter in standard human fashion-pick it up with his hands, etc. He cannot reconfigure atomic or molecular structure as Molecule man could. He can move his board telekinetically, but no other matter.

RE-Reality
The ability to manipulate all matter and energy might be the power to manipulate reality depending on how you define “manipulate matter and energy” and your view on quantum mechanics.

The ability to lift a mountain by will alone is not the ability to alter reality. It’s simply high grade telekineses. The ability to make E=M-C by will alone, now that’s the ability to alter reality. Changing the speed of light in a vacuum, altering the fabric of space/time so that triangles have 4 sides or 4000, making time flow backwards or sideways, changing the universe so that the shortest distance between any 2 points is not a straight line but a rhombus, those things constitute altering reality. That Beyonder had that power. He altered the laws of thermodynamics so that no living thing died or could die(After a talk with Molecule Man, he changed things back).

Currently, such power is found in small doses in the cosmic cubes and in an infinite amount in the reality gem. The reality gem is very difficult to use without the other 5. Without the omniscience granted by the collection, there are generally unforeseen and massively dangerous consequences. Still, Thanos was able to use the gem to ressurect Captain Marvel(the original, not his son). He did not raise his corpse. He merely will Mar Vell alive again. Mar Vell appeared in a healthy new body. When their chat was done, Thanos willed Mar Vell dead again. The body vanished.

If the Surfer had that kind of power, he would have raised Shalla Bal from the dead on his own long ago. Instead, he needed the aid of Adam Warlock and the Infinity Watch. The Silver Surfer, and Firelord watched and wept as Nova died. Neither had the power to save, let alone raise her. Firelord still mourns the loss of Airwalker.

While they would have good reasons for not simply walking down the streets raising the dead, SS has shown the  willingness to raise certain individuals(Shalla Bal was resurrected in the 4 issue Resurrection, SS had to go up against Death and Mephisto). Why are Nova and Airwalker still dead? Because despite the Power Cosmic, the Silver Surfer and Firelord can NOT raise the dead.
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But he can manipulate matter in the manner of Firestorm, can’t he? I distinctly remember a comic in which he and Alicia Masters are trapped in the past for whatever reason, and he transmutes a napkin holder into gold to pay someone at a cafe.

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I’ve heard that Mr. Fantastic’s (Reed Richards?) son is one of the most powerful beings in the universe.

Could someone elaborate on his powers?

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It’s been stated over and over and over again that SS is head and shoulders above the other heralds so comparing him the Firelord is pointless. Also remember that his powers were given to him, he wasn’t born with them, so even he himself scarcely knows their full extent. This was shown when Galactus revealed to SS that he actually created SS to be more powerful than himself.

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And I highly doubt that Hulk was every in any real danger from the Silver Surfer. Hulk is much stronger, not to mention the fact that Hulk has a nearly invincible healing factor. There are alot of people that could make mincemeat out of the Silver Surfer. Heck, Apocalypse could obliterate the Silver Surfer without even breaking a sweat.

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Didn’t there use to be an Infinity Gauntlet? And wasn’t the deity that resurrected Magneto and have him incredibly enhanced powers pretty dang powerful?

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Didn’t there use to be an Infinity Gauntlet? And wasn’t the deity that resurrected Magneto and gave him incredibly enhanced powers pretty dang powerful?

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An entity that hasn’t been mentioned here is the Phoenix Force. It’s not at all in the Living Tribunal/Eternity class but if we’re talking about Galactus then the PF has got to be mentioned. When Phoenix unleashes its power it consumes galaxies in a matter of seconds. Galactus needs a system-sized machine and a huge amount of time just to consume a single planet.

So, barring all the characters up there in the Cosmic Pantheon style, the Phoenix Force has to be right up there with the champs.

She’d own the Surfer every day and twice on Sundays too, just by the way.

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Not so. SS has used his power to drain all of the gamma radiation from Hulk’s body before, leaving a quite vulnerable Bruce Banner.

If I recally correctly, he tried this trick once when Hulk and Banner were seperated and caused the Hulk considerable pain.

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Chiming in late here. Consider that, back in the day, Galactus was “IT” for cosmic Marvel entities. Supposdely, Lee’s script for Kirby called for the Fantastic Four to fight “God,” thus giving birth to the Big G and his shiny metal herald.

Creativity demanded somebody tougher to eventually come along. There will ALWAYS be another Beyonder, or Onslaught, or whatever cosmic type beyond contemplation. But in my heart, Galactus will always remain the ultimate threat.

Although if I had to toss out some other suggestions, don’t forget Death. EVERYBODY dies, man. (I’d like to ignore that Secret Wars II issue where the Beyonder killed Death. Everybody else has, and hey, she did it voluntarily.)

I might also suggest Pharoah Akhenaten in the current MARVEL UNIVERSE: THE END miniseries. It’s an “Elseworld,” but I’ll give credit to any villain who can take out the X-Men in one shot.

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Wasn’t their this lame Alpha Flight villian that stared down Death, stopping “her” from killing him and giving him the ability to kill anyone he touched?

Sounds pretty powerful, but not really a match for Galactus.

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Well, I think that we’re in (almost) agreement that eithe SS or Galactus is the most powerful MU being that is used (The Beyonder being more powerful, but who cares?)

I wonder who the most powerful person on Earth is?
My vote is for Rachael Summers. She not only has the Phoenix Force, but can control it pretty darn well. If she tried, she could probably destroy the Earth.

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Strength wise, I’d say Hulk. He can press over 100 tons, and even more when he gets angry. Plus, he has that healing factor and the fact he doesn’t have much inhibition about using his strength against someone.

Mystically wise, probably Doctor Strange. I don’t think any mystic was any where near him in terms of power.

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Franklin Richards, Reed’s son, posseses incredible pyschic and reality warping powers. He rivals or trumps Proffesor X’s pyschic ability. Using his mind, he nearly killed Mephisto, a lord of hell, basically a demon with pretty much Satan-like powers(in all the various comic U’s, their is about 4 or 5 guys who claim to be leader of hell, Mephisto is one of marvels).

When Onslaught killed all the heroes during Heroes Reborn crossover event, Franklin created a pocket universe for all of the dead heroes to go to. It was a recreation of the whole MU.

Franklin’s powers have been inhibitied by hypnosis that makes his temper tantrums less cosmos threatening. :wink: Usually the damper placed on his powers comes off when the writers of the FF comic need some sort of cosmic power to bail them out.

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The most powerful character in Marvel was the True Beyonder, now it is the Living Tribunal, followed by anyone with the Infinity Gauntlet.

If you only include beings that are used more often, then Galactus has the potential to be the most powerful. However, at normal levels there are a few beings more powerful than Galactus. Celestials, Franklin Richards, the Vishanti, and the Phoenix Force are usually more powerful than Galactus.

If you only include people on Earth, then Franklin Richards and Rachel Summers are the most powerful.

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Resource wise, in a Batman type of way, it would be Reed Richards. Give him enough time to plan and he can beat anyone.

As far as just a straight barfight, well, you could make a case for a lot of people.

There may be a foe or two that Juggernaut couldn’t beat, but at the same time they couldn’t beat him either. Onslaught (::cough::bullshit::cough::slight_smile: and Hulk (as “War”, also bullshit) are the only two people to ever really affect him physically.

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The Infinity Gauntlet was just a glove with the Infinity Gems attached to it; I think we’ve covered those.

The “deity that resurrected Magneto”: could that be Alpha the Ultimate Mutant? One of many humans elevated to a higher plateau, not much more powerful than, say, the High Evolutionary. Not sure if he’s been seen since 1974.