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**I’m not sure to what this refers. You mean Astra?
Or that Roma chick that brought back the X-Men and gave them “technical invisibility” and the Seige Pierlous or whatever it all was? **
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I’ll be the first to admit that my comic memory is less than cosmic (get it?). I seem to remember a storyline where Magneto was killed and then resurrected by a powerful deity (demon?) and given strong enough powers to remove Wolverine’s adamantium skeleton from his body. But heck, it has been such a long time I may be muddling a couple of comic book storylines. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
How powerful was the creature that was giving powers to the thieves and assasins from Gambit’s homeland? For you Trekkers/comic book fans out there, how powerful would the '“Q” be in the comic book universe? Would someone with the Infinity gems be powerful enough to destroy them all? How about the Living Tribunal?
On the Phoenix: isn’t there an issue where Galactus kills her, the universe gets extingushed, the Watcher says, “Told ya”, and Galactus, somewhat chagrinned, re-boots the place?
According to the link somebody posted earlier to the Marvel.com web directory of superheroes, SS’s powers do include Molecular manipulation-
I wouldn’t say he is the most powerful because of that though. I am sure molecular man has a much greater control of matter than SS does.
My personal guess on the most powerful being in the MU is the unknown Amberite passing through the shadow, armed with a pattern sword and reality molding powers sufficient to erase entire universes by accident if he drinks too much. (ok not really, just been roleplaying too long)
Unfourtunately, I do not have the specific issues on hand (they are all in my attic back in Ireland). I can, however, give you a summary of the story. Thor, after various soap opera like instances with his alter-egos, finally goes nuts and starts seeing an asgardian named Valkeryie. Unfourtunately, she is entirely a product of his jaded mind. He finally loses it and goes into a multi-issue beserker mode. He beats the SS one on one and he beats him badly.
He then fights the Destroyer (of the Infinity Watch) and takes his gem from him making Thor even more powerful. Thanos finally puts a stop to his rampage and brings him back to Asgard. Thanos and Odin fight with Odin getting the, slightly, upper hand. All is resolved in the typical Marvel way. (The Destroyer that was created by Odin is a diffferent story altogether…he usually beats Thor…except when Thor entered the Destroyer armour himself).
Thor, imho, is (excluding the superclass powers) the most powerful Marvel hero. He combines brute force with certain mystical/magical elements. He rarely, if ever, lets his true powers show and I would always back him against the SS. Walter Simonson is a great Thor fan and has expoused this viewpoint in the past.
Ahhh, ok, you meant Drax the destroyer. In any case, I did a little research and verily I doth bequeath thee the victor in this epic battle of super-hero nitpicking.
Oh well, I always liked Thor so at least if Silver Surfer had to lose it was to a worthy opponent.
SS rules, Thor drools! HA HA HA, THE DAY IS MINE!!!
A quibble: I’m almost positive that Strange Tales 140-ish came out before FF 49, in which case, Eternity wasn’t a “someone tougher” add on. Eternity was so tough that no-one, Dormmamu, Mordo, Dr. Strange or the Ancient One even considered fighting him. I just checked. Strange Tales 138 came out in August 1965, FF 48 was December '65, so Eternity came first by a few months
As far as I’m concerned (which isn’t very far, dammit) the pecking order should go:
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[li]Living Tribunal (Above the Tribunal is the “One above us all” God that Odin always talked about, if you want to include him. I’m not, since he’s never actually appeared in a Marvel comic.)[/li][li]Eternity (and, if we MUST, Infinity)[/li][li]Galactus[/li][li]Beyonder/Shaper of Universes/God help us, Kubik/Anyone with the Infinity Gauntlet/Phoenix/Death[/li][li]The various head-of-their-pantheon Gods (Odin, Zeus, etc), Franklin Richards (if you wanted him moved up a notch, I could be convinced)/Celestials*/Mephisto and the various Satan types.[/li][li]Whatever the hell the Stranger, The Collector, etc were/[/li]“normal” gods (Thor, Pluto, etc)/The In-Betweener[/ul]
I know. This isn’t the way Marvel’s written it: the Beyonder’s supposed to be more powerful than Eternity. But if I ever wrote for Marvel, there would be a BIG fix to get things in line with the above list.
O’ course it’s NOT up to me, but frankly this one-upsmanship of More powerful than thou is just dumb. Eternity is the embodiment of the ENTIRE UNIVERSE. The Living Tribunal is the arbiter between different universes’ embodiments.
Fenris
*Yeah, I know, they’re supposed to be tougher than Odin. I don’t buy it. However, a retcon is that there’s only one Odin and there’s what…15? Celestials?
To which are you referring? Is Alpha the deity that resurrected Magneto or the creature that gave powers to the thieves and assasins? And unlimited control over time and space doesn’t make the “Q” more powerful than the Beyonder?
Alpha was Magneto’s home-made uber-mutant who turned Magneto (and a bunch of the rest of the Brotherhood) into babies in Defenders 16 or so. Erik The Red (a Shiiar bad-guy) re-aged them around X-Men 104.
OK, so who’s reading Marvel: The End? As long as we’re talking uber-villains, I’m curious what everyone thinks of this Pharoah Akhenaten nut. Personally, I’d have expected better from Starlin, although there are three more issues in the series.
Q isn’t even the most powerful entity in the Star Trek universe, and the Q certainly don’t have unlimited control over time. Don’t you remember the series finale? Q was scared silly of the Anomoly, because it was just as capable of wiping out the Q as it was other lifeforms. Admittedly, he never says so, but he sure acts it. Also keep in mind that there was a whole race of Qs (we saw at least several dozen in the first episode), which would probably suggest that any individual one was not on a par with a unique being like one of the Marvel cosmics.
Since we’re on the topic Fenris maybe you can give me a heads up one character I remember seeing (once) and I’m probably mis-remembering some elements so bear with me. IIRC it appeared a few years ago. The SS senses some power hidden in the earth and goes looking for it and finds this and this character so powerful he referred to Galactus as a “stripling” or a “child” and repaired the SS’s broken surfboard. I didn’t buy the comic because I was shopping for other stuff. Who was this character?
Hmmmm…smells like the “Dreaming Celestial” to me–he was a rogue Celestial whom the others stuck under a mountain in California. He was killed off in one of Walt Simonson’s FF issues…although that story took place in an alternate future, so it’s possible that DC still exists in the Marvel Universe proper.
Not all that powerful in the grand scheme of things. She was an external: they’re immortal, but their powers are just really suped-up regular mutant powers. Marvel doesn’t even do stories about them anymore for fear of lawsuits from Highlander people (essentially, they die, and then come back to life and realize their true powers).
It’s been a few years since I’ve read any comics, but, I remember one where Cable fought someone, I can’t remember his name, but anyway, his opponent could adapt to any situation. He was originally human, until Apocalypse put him into a machine which transformed him. He was programed to destroy the world, but then decided that maybe he wouldn’t.
If anybody remembers who I’m talking about, has that character popped up any? It would seem that someone like that would be, if not the most powerful, then, at least he’d be close to it.
But was Q actually scared or was this another one of his games or self-righteous lessons for Picard? You see this is the beauty of the Q. You never know.