Eh. The GOP is a party that runs on low key white nationalism. We can dance around that fact all we want, but that is the reality of the situation. The GOP is the party that tells white christians ‘you are the morally superior group and the glue that holds society together’. As long as they do that and make dog whistles about protecting their privileged status in the US and denigrating all the cheating ‘others’ in society their voting base won’t give a damn that the GOP is screwing them on policy.
There really isn’t anything we can do about it. The GOP has won the culture war with whites, and it has changed the electorate. The GOP can do anything, fuck anything up, etc. just so long as they pander to people who reject multiculturalism and social progress they are guaranteed 50 million votes.
The dems can make all the economic and policy arguments they want, it probably won’t matter. The best thing for the dems to do is get their voters to actually vote. There are enough liberals, non-whites, non-traditionalists, economically insecure, etc. to give the dems power, they just don’t vote as much as republicans do.
This is a popular right-wing meme that I’ve heard for decades. It has as much actual fact in it as D’Anconia’s and Clothahump’s posts combined.
What is true is that several wars occurred during Democratic administrations. WWI started under Wilson. Does anyone believe that we wouldn’t have gotten involved if a Republican were president? Teddy Roosevelt had been running around for years cursing Wilson for not entering the war. WWII started under FDR. Well, the Republicans had spent years being isolationist and trying their best to ignore Fascism but after Pearl Harbor…? It is to laugh. Korea started under Truman. Again, ask yourself if a Republican president would have sat that out. MacArthur could have had his nukes if a Republican were in office. How about Vietnam, then, huh? That started under Kennedy. Except no. If you bother to do five minutes of reading on it, the U.S. was in it up to its neck as soon as the French left in 1954.
Where do you go from there? The Gulf War? Bush. The Second Gulf War. Bush 2. Heck, Grenada was Reagan.
It’s a half-truth at best, and a half-truth is just a fact so stripped out of context that it seems to mean its exact opposite. At worst, it’s part of standard Republican Big Lie technique.
If you ever hear this again, ask why nine of the last ten recessions took place under Republican administrations. Shouldn’t they get credit for those? Well, yes, actually. Bad example.
I am another former, very conservative Republican who saw the light mid-2000’s. I now view Republicans as nearly 100% evil: They only exist to line the pockets of the rich and corporations. I am becoming more liberal every single day and the rate of increase in that direction has ramped up in the last six months.
Sadly, the Democratic Party is also in the pockets of their Corporate Overlords. Nevertheless, they are less evil than the Republican Party. Too bad they nominated the one candidate who could possibly lose to Trump, even though they were warned well in advance. Bill Clinton said, ‘I feel your pain.’ The DNC said, ‘It’s Hillary’s turn.’ They’re not even trying to connect to the Common Man.
[FTR: When I lived in my native state, I was registered Non-Partisan. For the past 13 years I’ve lived in a state where voters do not register for a political party. (RCW 29A.08.166 Party affiliation not required. Under no circumstances may an individual be required to affiliate with, join, adhere to, express faith in, or declare a preference for, a political party or organization upon registering to vote.) I am a Liberal.]
Yes, all true. The Democrats are the lesser evil. And rapidly becoming the much lesser evil. Wait not true: The Republicans are rapidly becoming much more evil.
FTR: I live next to your state and in my state, they automatically register you in the republican party and they do not allow any democratic candidates on the ballots. Only slightly kidding, unfortunately.
I heard on the radio yesterday, that four wolves have died this year. One was killed when it ‘wandered into Idaho’. I thought, ‘It should have known better than to go into Idaho.’
The anti-wolf hysteria around here is quite something to see. It appears the wolves are snatching babies, raping grandmas and on gawdammed welfare to boot! About as bad as the libtard snowflakes.
The Democratic party is far, FAR, from perfect but it did have its most progressive party platform in decades this past election. All is not lost on them.
For well over a century, the GOP has been pro-business, while the Demos were pro-labor. But both parties were “big tent” parties and were often more united than divided. Many prominent Republicans in the 1960’s, 70’s — heck, even Pres. candidates as recent as Dole or Romney! — were intelligent moderates.
You’ll get different answers about the timing of the fall to perdition. Ronald Reagan will get strong mention, but he was almost an intelligent humanitarian “RINO” compared with today’s ilk.
How are two parties aligned? Labor vs Business? Whites vs Colored? Religious vs Satan’s spawn? Because of high mobility and the self-selected nature of today’s media, we have a new model for party division: These days, people pick a party based on their cognition modality. People who think with their temporal cerebral lobe gravitate to the Democratic Party. People whose cognition is dominated by a hyperactive amygdala (the brain center for the emotions of fear and disgust) gravitate to the Republican Party.
This sad conclusion has been confirmed by a variety of scientific studies, and explains today’s partisan gulf. In the old “big tent” days, I could chat with a cousin from the other party and easily achieve understanding and compromise. Today the cognitive gap is too wide. People from one party know the other-party guy is speaking English sentences but the meanings of the sentences are drowned in emotion and completely lost.
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The destruction of healthcare. Weakening of education. Denial of climate change. Illegitimate wars. Gerrymandering. Voter suppression. Useless weapons programs. Reproductive repression. Constituent avoidance. Incompetent, malevolent cabinets. Entrenched racism. Failed drug policies. Regressive taxation. Anti-feminism. Failures of church-state separation.
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Where do you get your news, D’Anconia ? Do you find all you need to know at Washington Times? When you’re sincerely curious about Hillary, what is the Search term you type into Google? Perhaps: “I think Hillary is a disgusting despicable murderer, tell me I’m right!” ?
And the last sentence in that excerpt is self-parody. I’ll let Chronos explain why.
You could start by listing the points in a straightforward way.
You state:
“A poll showed the majority of Republicans think higher education is bad for American.”
That is not an honest representation of the poll. Pew asked ‘Colleges and universities have a _________ effect on the way things are going in the country’. The option for the blank was positive or negative.
The question had nothing to do with higher education itself. Of course, it is simpler to take the easy (and wrong) ‘Them dumb republicans are all stoopid. See they even think higher education is wrong!!!’ route.
The question is are colleges and universities make a positive difference. Considering the recent violentcollege protests, college students violently shutting downfree speech, the fact that college degrees are nowherenear as important as they used to be and that many new college graduates are basically worthless, it is easy to come to the conclusion that colleges aren’t providing the skills that are needed.
The criticism isn’t that higher education is bad, it is that the colleges are universities are doing a horrible job at providing the higher education.
You hit the nail on the barrelhead ;). I’ve been what I considered a rather strong Republican since I was 20 or so, but I always disagreed with the social issues. However, those didn’t seem to be as strong in the 80s or so as they do today. It’s late, and it’s hard to say exactly what I mean, but it seemed to me that until recently the economic, judicial, and fiduciary aspects of the GOP were its salient characteristics.
As for me, coming from the rust belt of Chicagoland, I was always fascinated by who was Dem vs Repub. Speaking frankly, as I was growing up, the Democrats around me were not “social forward-thinkers;” they were staunch Union-supporters over all. Frankly racist, sometimes sexist, socially “conservative,” NIMBY, protectionist , tarriff-supporting, anti-globalism underachievers…those were the blue-collar Democrat party-line voters. It may sound weird now, but that’s how it was in the late 80s-90s. I was always the opposite of those viewpoints: socially liberal, economically conservative, so that meant Republican (if not Libertarian). Now it seems the same kind of people from that area who were the blue-collar Democrats all morphed into reactionary Trump supporters. I don’t know what I am anymore, heh, but I sure the hell can’t call myself a Republican anymore. But I’m not an anarchist Libertarian either. It seems that extremism is the watchword these days. Is there even a party segment left for people like me?
P.S. I was a couple years too young to vote, but I loved Ross Perot–remember him?
I disagree. I think it’s the same reason they pushed hard for alternatives to hillarycare, but once hillarycare was dead, they stopped pushing. It’s because they just don’t want socialized health care. It’s not something they support. Their ideology is and has been against it. Take this as a neutral statement. Obamacare is as far right as you can realistically get for health care planning, but it’s still an expansion of government, still redistribution of wealth, and still essentially a liberal move. Republicans don’t want healthcare.
Now, as for why they aren’t just coming out and saying that… Well, why wouldn’t they be honest and open about extremely unpopular fundamental ideals? :rolleyes:
