Watchmen/DC crossover

Lately in the DC universe, hints of an upcoming crossover are in the works.


Is Eddie “The Comedian” Blake one of the three Jokers?


Is Mr. OZ actually Adrian “Ozymandias” Veigt?
http://www.newsarama.com/29885-if-mr-oz-is-right-and-superman-s-not-what-he-believes-what-is-he.html

More discussion:
https://moviepilot.com/posts/3970036

What are your thoughts?

Is Rorshach going to be The Flash…or Jimmy Olsen?

Is Nite Owl II…Batman?

Dr. Manhattan and Silk Spectre=?

Just one more sign that both DC and the comics buying community can neither develop new properties nor wish to buy new stories. Urgh.

I’m actually enjoying the crossover. It started about a year and a half ago with DC Rebirth and there’ve been tiny clues planted all over the place.

My current theory:

Mr Oz = Ozmandias

Dr Manhattan is behind the scenes

We know there are three Jokers–I’m guessing the middle Joker (the one who beat Jason (Robin) Todd to death with a crowbar. Largely because that Joker was into the sort of international politics that the Comedian was into.

In the Nu52 there was a version of The Question who was involved with a group called “The Trinity of Sin” and we never learned anything about that Question. I think he’s Rorschach since we never found out about what he was being punished for.

Good theory but in that story line the Joker was the ambassador of Iran at the UN, from memory? Doesn’t sound like the Comedian’s sort of gig.

I’ve been thinking about why I dislike this. I was mildly unhappy at the Watchmen prequels, because although they didn’t disturb the knife’s edge end of the original series, they were clearly out to milk the bull. Nothing can really jeopardise the original story, I guess, but it just doesn’t seem appropriate to purport to unravel its conclusion. The Comedian is dead. Rorschach is dead. And perhaps Rorschach’s journal will be found, or not, with the Ozymandias’ stability of the world hinging on fat, fumbling fingers.

If there are indeed to be three Jokers, then, I don’t know, let one be The Corinthian from Sandman, since little turns on that and it would sort of fit. Or the KGBeast, having killed the original Joker so as to adopt a supervillain’s guise to assess America’s metahuman community. Bringing in Watchmen seems to me to be forcing the jigsaw puzzle together with scissors.

Call me crazy but I think this can be cool. Watchmen still exists. You can read it and reread all you want. It’s not going anywhere. Why not let those characters live again in a new story? It could be neat. I’m kind of excited to see what happens.

This Watchmen crossover has made me look at something from the original series in a different way.

Dr. Manhattan got his powers after he was atomized in a lab accident, and was able to use his prodigious intellect to reconstitute himself, molecule by molecule.

Ozymandias, on the other hand, is the guy who calls himself “The Smartest Man on Earth,” and his primary character trait is an enormous (and largely justified) ego.

At the end of the book, it’s revealed that he’s developed a machine that perfectly replicates the conditions that gave Dr. Manhattan his powers.

How long could Adrien Veidt keep that machine around without trying it out on himself? After all, if John Ostermann could do it, surely…

So, my guess is the cosmic big bad that’s made DC so gloomy for the last few years is going to be heavily hinted at being Dr. Manhattan, but will be revealed in the end to actually be an Ozymandias who has replicated Manhattan’s powers, and then [del]took a job as DC’s editor-in-chief[/del] started warping reality to meet his expectations.

Making the Question into Rorschach would be a weirdly recursive editorial decision, given the story behind the Charlton Comics characters and the creation of the Watchmen, but the very little we know about the guy who was turned into the New 52 Question doesn’t fit Rorschach at all. For starters, the other two members of the Trinity of Sin are Pandora and Judas Iscariot. What did Rorschach ever do that would warrant that sort of company? The moral implications of drowning a criminal dwarf in a prison toilet are surprisingly layered, but the other two in the trio are working at a much larger scale.

We also have at least one hint to 52Question’s identity, though, and while it doesn’t quite fit any of the Watchmen characters backgrounds, I think there might be kind of a weird lateral connection there. In the comic where they set up the Trinity, we see the three being punished. When it’s the soon-to-be Question’s turn, he starts monologging: “I will not beg, wizards! I defy the authority you claim! Do what you wish to me, but if you do not kill me, I will rise to power again! And you will fear my name as does the world!” To which a wizard replies, “You will forget your name, as will everyone.”

So, this is just a guess, but if I had to put money on it, I’d say that character was originally intended to be a reference to Ozymandias. Not Moore’s; Shelley’s:

And on the pedestal these words appear:
‘My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!’
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.

Now that they’ve decided to fold in the Watchmen characters to the main DCU, I wouldn’t be surprised if that ends up being Adrien Veidt. He’s the only character in Watchmen whose crimes are big enough to be included in that company.* It would also make absolutely no sense. That’s supposed to be a trial from the age when mankind first discovered magic. Adrien Veidt is a celebrity crime fighter from the 1980s. But, then again, his companions are a person believed to be ancient by Bronze Age Greeks, and a 1st century Palestinian Jew, so the time frame is already ultra screwy.

(*Actually, what did it turn out that Pandora’s crime actually was? In the myth, she’s literally responsible for every bad thing that happens, ever. In the comics, she… opened a portal to the world where the Justice League is evil? Isn’t that how that story line shook out? I mean, the Crime Syndicate are dicks, don’t get me wrong, but just opening a door to their place is “Trinity of Sin” material? The Justice League accidentally open portals to dimensions full of evil dicks on a semi-monthly basis, and they don’t get a Council of Wizards all up in their business, calling them a Septet Of Ill Intent and erasing Hal Jordan’s face.)

Bonus Question: What do you think pisses off Steve Ditko more? Turning his Objectivist superhero into a psychotic vagrant with weird sexual hangups, or a penitent seeking to atone for violating someone else’s quasi-religious moral code?

A: The Creeper never achieving the same success as Spider-Man.

I wonder if a reconstituted…manhattan-ized…Bubastis will make an appearance.
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