No, I don’t, but I appreciate the admission that your position is indefencible.
Yawn. Without any other information, as I said, I’m going to continue to think the kid just likes to dance to the song. I don’t think hearing these things he may not even understand is harmful.
Agreed. If I see one more candy cane and tinsel related accident…
Well, he might get punched in the nose if he tosses out the ‘N’ word in the wrong crowd.
His mom might get taken aback when after she tells him to clean his room and he responds with a “Yo beeee-yatch, yo in my world Hizzo, leave me da fuck alone or I’ll pop a cap in yo ass!”
I suppose.
First, bravo, Askia, for an amusing tale.
Second - magellan, are you asserting that there’s some objective problem that can be factually proven by mixing A and B, or are you saying you only want to debate with people who agree with you?
“Profanity” is an illusion. There isn’t a magical list of words, buried under a mountain in a hidden vault, of “Things Thou Shalt Not Say, Lest Thy Mouth Be Purged With Soap”.
When I was 5 I was listening to Zeppelin & Floyd and Airplane and CSN along with the Archies and the Monkies and Beatles and Peter Pan 45’s. I am sure some adults would have expressed the attitudes shown here about Zep & Floyd back then.
I almost forgot from age 2 I would rock out in my playpen to Innagadadavida that the upstairs Teenager use to blast all day.
Just Saying. 
Jim
No need to thank me. I do what I can.
Congratulations. Now try to shoot for two minutes.
Please reread the OP and then look up the word “hijack”. No need to look up “prick”, as I’m sure you’re weel acquainted with the word. For "self-righteous, just check the mirror. I think the word you were looking for at the end of that sentence is “perfection”. No, don’t thank me. As I said, I do what I can.
You do realize that this is a debate board you’re posting on, don’t you. Just in case: this is a debate board your posting on, so don’t be surprised if people express different positions on things.
No.
Good for you.
Knock yourself out.
Again, no. Sorry.
Anyhting else, shithead?
It’s especially amusing when I picture my seven-year-old cousin, bright Irish red hair and freckles, in the role of “Cute Lil’ White Boy.”
magellan01, you’ve obviously never worked in retail at Christmas time.
That’s assuming the kid can actually make out the lyrics. I dunno about the particlar ones Askia was playing, but a lot of the rap I’ve heard comes across as a pounding beat overlaid with incomprehensible shouting.
Askia, that was one hell of a funny rant. If you’d left out “white” it would still have been funny but that was the touch that made it hilarious. Racist? Sheesh! It’s self-deprecating humor that plays off white-black stereotypes beautifully.
And while the one-handed typing is impressive, try not to get anything sticky in the keyboard.
To respond to you? That’s about 115 seconds too long.
And if you keep that up, you’ll go blind.
The expectation she had was probably that you’d have a coherent differing position. Which is, I suppose, her own fault for setting her standards too high. Incidentally, this is the BBQ Pit, which is the rant portion of the board. ‘Great Debates’ is another forum entirely.
Snark is fun for everyone!
No, I’m saying that the problem—provable or not—is real. And that if someone doesn’t think that knowingly exposing a five-year-old kid to the language I cited is a problem, then the chasm between us concerning what we percieve to be bad for children is so wide, I feel any exploration of the issue will be fruitless.
Given that I’m not one of the liberal brethern here on SDMB, and the debates I’ve been involved in, the last part of your quote above is laughable.
Can’t be a very serious problem if you’re unable to show it exists and unwilling to try to discuss it with someone who doesn’t start from the same presumptions you do.
But you still haven’t told us what the problem is. If it’s bad for a kid to hear this music, it must be because a bad thing is going to result from letting him hear it. What is this bad thing?
Although I will say that, if your problem isn’t provable, you really ought to expect that not everyone is going to agree that the problem exsists in the first place.
That’s rather defeatist, isn’t it? I mean, I disagree with you that there’s anything wrong with a kid hearing this sort of music, and I don’t think I’ll be able to convince you differently, but I’m still game to try. What’s the point of even being here, other wise? Like you said, it’s a debate board. Let’s debate.
Defeatist? I guess that’s a fair characvterization. I’m just so baffled that peolpe think that such language is appropriate for a five-year-old. I’ve enjoyed debating with you in the past, but I’m going to pass on this, as I feel it would be as frustrating as debating that water is wet. To believe that we should not protect our children from ugliness and seek to teach them certain things when they are of an age able to understand them is simply beyond my mental abilities.
I will leave Askia’s oh-so-hilarious anecdote to the more enlightened.
Okay, Devil’s advocate time, since magellan’s not stepping up:
The music Askia was listening to described guns, shootings (I figure that’s what “when the smoke settle” refers to), a world full of violence. “Fuck them other niggas cause I’m down for my niggas!” is a sentiment devoid of compassion or positive sentiment for one’s fellow humans, and encourages an us-versus-them mentality. “Niggas” is probably the most offensive word in American English when coming from the mouth of a white child.
I think you can make a case that a five-year-old ought to be protected from stories about brutal violence if it’s possible, and that furthermore you need to be careful, for their own safety and for the happiness of others around them, about how they’re introduced to potentially volatile language.
That’s the case I would make, were I magellan. However, I’m with Polycarp here: it’s a tempest in a teapot, I think, and it’s unlikely the kid has any idea what those lyrics are talking about, and if he does, it’s very possible that his mom has explained to him th edifference between fantasy and reality in a developmentally appropriate manner.
Daniel
Well, how about we have a conversation about it, so that we can better understand each other’s position? That’s why we’re all here, right?
If it’s that obvious, the debate should be a slam-dunk for you, then. I’m baffled myself why this is so obvious to you, and yet you are so totally unable to articulate why you object to it.
Why does a child need to be protected from this song? What bad thing is going to happen to him because he hears it? I don’t understand why this question is so hard for you to answer. Hell, if you want, I won’t even question your reason, since you’re so opposed to debate. I just want to know what your reason is. I can’t imagine how a song, of all things, could possibly be harmful to a kid. And if it’s not harmful, I don’t see why he would need to be protected from it.
If you change your mind, perhaps this thought experiment might help explain your position.
Imagine two twins, where one frequently listens to the objectionable music, and one does not.
What negative effects or behaviors might one reasonably expect the bad-music-listening child to experience or display?
What are the worst-case effects or behaviors?
… vs the non-objectionable-music listening twin, of course.
magellan01, I won’t dignify your oh so clever point by point deconstruction of my post with much of anything except to say that “perfectness” is EXACTLY the word I was looking for, in just the same way someone will misspell “pwecious” in order to get a point across.
You are devoid of a sense of humor. You lack brain cells. All of them.
If this is a debate, then it’s the lamest debate I’ve ever been to. You resort to ad hominems and name calling because you are so much smarter than the rest of the board that engaging someone in a debate is a waste of your precious time? Why did you come and shit in this thread to begin with? Here’s a hint, genius. It didn’t begin as a debate. It began as a story. You want a debate? Go hang out in GD and get your ass handed to you there. I’m sure it would be someone’s pleasure. Me? I came to the PIT for a good rant. Not to get all cocked up with your slippery slope paranoia.
YOU are exactly the kind of person that would make a determination as to what should be banned from the public airwaves based on what you deem inappropriate, because, “Won’t someone think of the children?!” I have no respect for anyone who sees a, “one size fits all” approach to the world’s problems, and thereby taking a little bit away from everyone. Before you mistake my response for giving a shit what you think, don’t bother. This missive was more for my benefit than yours. I couldn’t have anyone accusing me of a drive-by, now could I?
Thanks, CandidGamera, your response to his lunatic ravings was satisfying, but I fear you wasted a good 115 more seconds. As did I, apparently.
Calling me shithead? Please. What’s the matter? Were you exposed to the wrong music as a child? :wally
Obviously too much Pat Boone. 