Which is my simple idea. I’ve been touting it for years. Go to SUnday League substitution after 90 minutes. Play 9 v 9 too if you need to.
By the way…just to show the disrespect Soccer got in the USA when i was a teen: In our city we had the first all high school tourney. One day we had to play two games in one day. One poor team had to play THREE FUCKING GAMES in one day.
Can you imagine the shit-fit if they made a gridiron football team play three games in one day??
You can’t just keep going until someone scores as that could last indefinitely (even with reduced numbers of players, which in itself could descend into farce - more so than PKs, in my view). It’s not uncommon for games to finish 0-0 after 90 or even 120 minutes, to carry on for another indefinite period after that would be ridiculous.
It’s like democracy as a system of government - it’s the worst way, except all the other ways that have been tried.
I do agree that PKs after 90 minutes (with the winner of the shootout gaining one goal) is (the only suggestion) worth a trial.
The kicks can’t decide it, the game is already over. They’re deciding something else at that point.
Strictly speaking, Kicks From The Penalty Mark (KFTPM) aren’t soccer.* They look kinda like soccer, what with that goal-frame, the referee, and a soccer ball, but they’re not soccer.
For one thing, there’s no way to score a goal during KFTPM and you need goal(s) to win a soccer game. KFTPM can not decide the winner of a match because if a match goes to KFTPM that means it’s already ended in a draw after 120 minutes. Game over, final result: 0-0, or 2-2 or whatever. A draw.
But in a knockout competition (like the World Cup, e.g.) there has to be a way to determine which of the two teams that drew will advance in the competition (or win it all if it’s the championship match).
Now, it used to be they would draw lots to determine who advanced. Other times I believe they simply re-played the match on a different day. At some point it was changed to KFTPM. I like the kicks best, even though it’s not soccer.
*They are not even Penalty Kicks. PKs can only happen during the actual game, not afterward. That’s why the above are called Kicks from the Penalty Mark, not Penalty Kicks… I wasn’t just being pedantic. I believe if people learn the correct terms it can help them better understand the concepts behind the terms.
As I’ve said in the many other threads about this Uniquely American* concern, I also believe the kicks after 90 thing is the best option for replacing KFTPM.
*Full disclosure: I am 100% American.
kicks after 90 or 120 is tantamount to settling a tied basketball game with best of five free throws.
No point in comparing basketball to football. The high-scoring nature of the former means that ties are easily broken or avoided under normal play.
Granted that the kicks (whatever you call them) aren’t Real Soccer, but they’re still a heck of a lot closer to Real Soccer than coin-flips are.
I played soccer in high school and it can physically wear you out, and can be painful. I had injuries, I even broke a toe once in practice. It’s not table tennis.
But you can’t compare it to gridiron football. In soccer you run around somewhat, you might get pulled muscles, occasionally you’ll collid with something or someone. Football is full-on contact, it’s just shy of hand-to-hand combat. You might literally kill people asking them to play 3 games in a day. That’s not a respect thing, it’s a safety thing.
Baseball though, I could see 3 games in a day. (As long as you’re not pitching 27 innings.)
Sudden-death extra time with** no goalies **would make for frenetic, hectic soccer…but would probably give an unfair advantage to the team that had possession of the ball first.
I would have thought it would have encouraged the exact opposite; full-on offensive aggression.
What about some sort of situation like 2 forwards against the goalie, but with some restrictions to make it competitive. For example, kick shots can only be taken outside the penalty box. Within the box, a player can only use their body above the waist. If a player touches the ball with their foot within the box, the ball has to go outside the box before a shot can be taken. Something like that would have the two forwards either trying to drill it in from outside the box, or come up with some sort of trick play to get a header in.
I want 10-minute overtime periods, no sudden death. Every 10 minute period that ends without a winner, each side loses a player. OT1, full 11-on-11. OT2, 10-on-10. OT3, 9-on-9, and so on, all the way down to 3-on-3. If you somehow can’t get a winner out of all that, PKs at that point seem much less unfair.
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Sounds bloodthirsty, and you’d probably have to hold matches on floating platforms in international waters to avoid law enforcement interference, but I support it.
a way to reduce ties is to increase offense but they seem to have no interest in that.
This may be a cultural thing, for all I know, but when a winner is required all four of our major professional sports leagues keep playing until someone wins. This is less a concern with basketball or football, but both baseball games and hockey games can go on for truly staggering amounts of time.
Thus, you end up with things like this:
And this:
Coincidentally, this also comes out as close to three full regulation games in length.
I like this:)
the NHL had regular season ties until 2005. They played a 5 minute OT but they could still end up in a tie . College FB had ties until the 90s. So for a long time those 2 sports were OK with ties. (the NFL can have ties now but they are not common. )
Sure. And association football/soccer also has ties, of course.
What I mean is that when a winner must be determined, association football uses extra time and then PKs, while MLB/NFL/NHL/NBA all keep playing extra time with something analogous either to a golden goal (NFL[sup]1[/sup], NHL) or to a silver goal (MLB, NBA), but without restrictions on the amount of extra time required.
[sup]1[/sup] More or less. NFL overtime rules are slightly more complicated essentially because there are multiple ways to score.
until 2018 the US Open golf had an additional 18 holes of golf to break a tie. They played the extra round the next day. Now they use 2 holes total score to break a tie.
The world cup could continue a tie championship game the next day when players are rested but I think the odds of that being tried are close to 0.
Shockingly to me, UK soccer cup finals in the early 20th had full game replays if the final ended tied: