What a relief!!
I get that you think you’ve done something here, but the general public still assumes that anyone who wears ICE gear is ICE, and behaves accordingly.
My point is that is if this happens enough, the general public will start to be more skeptical. But that hasn’t happened yet. The status quo is still that people overwhelmingly assume someone in an ICE vest is ICE. If you think one FBI press release has changed that, then you should have a seat because you’re too fucking obtuse to participate as an adult in this conversation.
In principle you’re exactly correct, and the main flaw in the idea is that it would take a lot of impersonation to move the needle, not to mention the danger to all parties concerned.
I was thinking that at some point it’s inevitable someone will dress up in ICE gear, and go to a bank asking to see people’s immigration papers. They’d ask to “inspect the bank vault” and carry out bags of cash as “evidence of trafficking.” One or two cases wouldn’t do it, but if it became routine, then policy would have to change as a purely practical matter for ICE to continue operating.
And the bank staff will do what, stand around with their thumb up their ass watching? No bank is going to open their vault for ICE agents just because they asked, whether or not they can properly identify themselves as ICE agents.
But you’ll let us know when? This American kinda feels like a single instance of someone impersonating alleged federal agents who do not wear any uniformly identifying anything is cause to doubt them all.
As opposed to one single press release from the FBI that doesn’t even address public opinion? Thank you for demonstrating that you’re too dumb to contribute, as I inferred earlier.
Learn to generalize from a rhetorical example. It doesn’t literally have to be a bank heist. Certainly your mind can conceive of a scenario where a civilian impersonates a law enforcment for just long enough to pull off a burglary or robbery or some other crime under color of authority. I can’t use your brain for you, you’re going to have to do that yourself.
One of us is dumb, for sure.
Is that a knock at your door?
I can conceive of lots of such scenarios, especially since they already happen with people pretending to be police officers and such. But your claim was that some criminals will walk up to a bank, claim to be ICE agents, and then be let in to the vault to “inspect it” and then be allowed to leave with bags of cash “as evidence of trafficking”. All without anyone asking for a warrant or to speak to their supervisor.
Anyone who thinks that this scenario is “inevitable” is… How did you put it? Oh, yeah - “too dumb to contribute”.
I doubt the bank heist scenario would happen, but who stop them? The real police? They’re already allowing masked, unidentified thugs to tear gas children’s schools and murder white ladies.
Then you are in theory capable of grasping the point, but you insist on taking hypothetical as literal. Good to know what your specific brain damage is, thanks.
As if people are challenging ICE for warrants and successfully getting them. As if ICE is at any point stopped by a warrant challenge these days. Are you really this stupid?
What the fuck are you talking about?
Some randos who claim to be ICE walk into a bank and say “we want to see your vault”. You think the bank is just gonna say “oh God we are so scared of you please don’t hurt us here’s the keys to the vault”? Or how exactly do you forsee that going down?
I just watched a video of an ICE thug trying to get into an Ecuadorian consulate. According to your sad attempts at “logic”, nothing should have been able to stop him from entering and deporting all the consulate workers back to Ecuador, right? Well, what actually happened is that a guy went up to the door and told him “you can’t come in here!” at which point the ICE agent threw a little tantrum about how he “wasn’t coming in” with all the same energy of a toddler playing “I’m not touching you” before leaving.
God, but that’s impossible! I thought ICE couldn’t be stopped by the law, they could do whatever they wanted and all hope was lost!
The ‘guy at the door’ in a bank is likely a rent-a-cop, much less likely to confront a group of armed men presenting as Federal agents. And yeah, if I’m pulling this bank job it’s not going to be me alone - much more likely to succeed if there are +/- 5 of us, and more realistic since the ICE thugs are never solo as far as I’ve seen.
…what?
The guy at the consulate was a random office worker in slacks and a button up shirt armed with a lanyard. Your assessment of likelihood is all out of whack.
So you also think it’s remotely realistic? I’ll ask you as well. Five guys come into a bank and tell at the manager “we are ICE and we need to inspect your vault”. What do you think happens next?
- Fake ICE officer zip ties woman and robs Philadelphia business
- A man was robbed by a fake ICE agent conducting an illegal roadblock
- 3 armed men posing as ICE tied up a restaurant employee and looted the ATM
- Fake ICE agents robbed 2 people in New Jersey
These weren’t hard to find at all. Barely took 5 minutes. None of this is hard to understand if you possess 2 working brain cells.
I agree, like I said earlier, I’m sure you can find lots of examples that are nothing like ICE agents strolling into a bank and walking out with bags of cash they declare are evidence.
So how many more times must that kind of thing happen before you begin to suspect that not everybody in mismatched tacticool gear is, actually, ICE? 50? 1000?
Then process what I already said several posts ago, unless you just really enjoy fighting the hypothetical that much.
Already said it doesn’t literally need to be a bank heist, but have fun punching the wall or whatever.
The point is that there’s a limit, and when it’s reached, ICE won’t be able to operate anymore, not because people are too courageous, but simply because they’re too uncertain and confused about who is ICE and who isn’t.
Some people have reached that point, there are also cases of people chasing away ICE imposters, but it’s not to the point where ICE changes their policy to show ID, name, badge, and a warrant. They’re not doing that because there’s still widespread compliance.
You will fail to grasp this point again, because your aim here is not to understand, but that’s not really my problem.
You guess I’ll miss the point I made?
Ok.
How do we know that they where not real ICE agents, just doing a side hustle?
They murder people after all and get away with it. They already have the gear to threaton and kill people. A little robbery is not a far reach.