Do you have a better way to address each individual point? Just because you don’t want to spend the time to offer a proper response shouldn’t undermine the time I spent to respond to you. It does allow you an easy out to conveniently ignore my counter-points though…Regardless, I have no idea why you’re taking this so personally.
And actually, the maracas the Dreamcast were $80. Add $50 for the game, and you have a $130 purchase, which is even more than I originally stated (adjusted for inflation, the cost is closer to $150). The Wii comes with a Wiimote by default, and another+nunchuck is only $60, which most people likely have by this point anyway, so the only cost you’re out is the $40 for the game. And even if you do have to shell out for a 2nd controller, you’re still saving $30 ($50 if adjusted for inflation) on an accessory that can be used for more than just one game.
Cite: http://dreamcast.ign.com/articles/164/164748p1.html
Did you not read my former posts? I don’t love my Wii, I just happen to think a lot of the negatively it gets is ignorant and unfounded. It is true, however, that I consider it to be the least bad of the three current consoles. And I’d love to see an actual cite for your bullshit “1 in 100 claim.”
The idea is that you can use the Wii controller for every Wii game. For systems where you’d need a peripheral instead, you have to justify buying that peripheral for that specific game, and maybe others like it that might get released in the future. An extra $50 tacked on for one game, or a one-time purchase that goes with every game? I think that’s the argument he’s making.
And for the record, I find Red Barchetta’s posts very well-written and persuasive. And before you call me biased, I actually can’t say the same thing about Justin_Bailey, who basically argues the same points. It’s because of the way they set out their arguments, I guess. You, on the other hand, keep making statements like “problem is no one really WANTS to play [zapper games] anymore” and “Your personal opinion aside the wheel is inferior to any other control scheme for MK Wii” as if they are uncontestable fact. You don’t seem to be winning anyone over with that.
I didn’t say you’re offensive, just not as persuasive (to me, at least). I’m not sure what it is, to be honest. I remember that you do make good points. I don’t know if it’s something as finicky as writing style or what that does it for me. I meant no offense, but upon re-read I guess I could have worded it better.
There is certainly an issue with this. I have Madden 07 for the Wii and I hate it. I think the old regular Playstation controller is perfect for a game like this. OTOH, my 2007 Tiger Woods golf game is great fun and lends itself well to the Wii’s controller, even if the title has a couple bugs (mostly putting).
I just picked up Madden 09 for my old reliable PS2, which is to me a great console and where the best value in gaming is right now outside of older PC games that can be had for $10 at Walmart sans original packaging.
I get that people are disappointed in their Wii’s to an extent, but hate? Nah.
I only wish they could tweak the graphics a little.
It’s pretty well-accepted that hardcore gamers don’t care for the Wii. Pointing out that game review magazines and websites hold the same opinion doesn’t really add much, since they are written by and for hardcore gamers.
Meanwhile, the old folks homes stage Wii bowling tournaments with each other. I kid you not. Whenever I visit my grandmother, she’s always flabbergasted at how half the folks there crowd around the Wii whenever it’s game time.
My Dad used to be a pretty good bowler in his day. My Mom, not so much.
My Mom and Dad are 65 and older. They actually have Wii Bowling tournaments at their house (Dad has a 162" HDTV projector in his media room), which they turn into cocktail and hors de ourdevres (sp?) events.
I say…you go girl. Anything that gets my hardcore Republican Dad, the ex-general to play around, the better.
What’s great is watching old people bowl on the Wii, like my Dad. He takes it SO seriously.
I can say that I liked Ghostbusters better on the Wii than I did on the 360. The controls felt better. I admit, the graphics on the 360 were more awesome, but the gameplay was better on the Wii.
Also, while they were more awesome, they were also more cluttered.
Madworld was lots of fun.
What year are you posting from? You speak in past tense but these games haven’t been released yet (that I know of). Can you give me any possible sports winners for this year? Thanks.
I don’t know that I’d call it a missed opportunity, honestly. The Wii is being given mostly the same treatment as the DS as a gimmick-prone platform. The problem seems to be that all of the companies who ended up making brilliant, mostly-2D games for the DS are staying away from the Wii with its 3D focus and imprecise controls. One of the first teasers for Nintendo’s Revolution was, “Touching is good, but feeling is better.” It turns out that experiencing the world of gaming through the Wii is less like feeling and more poking a stick with another stick to move something in that gaming world.
Boom Blox is the only game to make decent use of the Wii’s controls.
We’re also hearing that the Wii MotionPlus will save us! It will be and do everything our starry eyes had imagined when the Wii was first announced. The one huge, gaping problem I see in this beautiful plan is the price. It’s already sortof grotesque that the most inexpensive console on the market this generation has the most expensive controllers ($60 for a Wiimote + Nunchuck, which are required for most games). The MotionPlus is said to cost another $30. For each one.
So if your kids or grandparents want to join you in Wii Sports Resort waterskiing, let them know to turn up with an extra $90. Hopefully there will be some sort of package deal once the new technology is out, but the idea of luring families in with a cheap system and then hitting their wallets for massive damage smacks of a special kind of evil that I can’t support.
All that said, it seems like the different sides in this thread and the thousands before it are simply talking past each other. The Wii sells extremely well, but to the kinds of folks who will buy maybe two or three games a year for it, tops. The 360 and PS3 don’t sell quite as well, but see vastly higher software sales. The Wii is great for the niche it fills, but is pretty poor at anything else.
I’m still keeping mine for Smash Bros and Monster Hunter, but I won’t be surprised to see Wii trade-ins steadily increase this year, like they started to before the last holiday season. It’ll be a staple in a certain types of households, and people who want long-lasting, precise gaming experiences will continue to learn to stay away from it.
NY Comicon. I got to play all sorts of awesome stuff. My point was, there are Wii games starting to come out now. Expect more in the future if Madworld sells well.
Remember, Madworld is Clover Studios. Behold the power of my God Hand!
The original Xbox is superior to the 360?
What are you smoking, and can I have some.
The original Xbox had Halo, which was (for the time) quite a good shooter, but that was it.
I have played the Wii for a few hours and absolutely hated, hated, HATED it.
The controls were very poorly and the gameplay reminded me of the first computer game I every played : Summer Games.
I even bought Boom Boom Blox after hearing all the glowing reviews, but that game also suffered from the terrible controls.
Basically I think the Wii is a greatly hyped gimmick which only appeals to people who actually don’t like computer games.
I said when I first got it, and I still believe this: “If my Wii is never anything more than a $300 bowling simulator, I’ll have gotten my money’s worth”
I wouldn’t consider it grotesque. Instead I look at the low-cost hardware as off-setting the cost of the controller. While the Wii is quite clearly the least powerful system, it is home to the most advanced controller–without it, the Wii wouldn’t be the system it is. You’re right that the price of the hardware alone may be deceptively cheap, if one buys more controllers, but what console isn’t that true for? I still can’t scrub my mind of the $100 I blew on the Xbox wifi receiver, which the Wii includes internally.
And I think it’s a bit premature to be making arguments about a theoretical price point regarding Wii MotionPlus–you may be right, you may be wrong. But it’s not really worth arguing about without all the facts.
And do you really think Boom Blox is the only game to make “decent” use of Wii controls? Have you played any of the other games I mentioned? I won’t disagree a lot of games–hell, maybe even most games, make sloppy use of them, but there’s more than just a handful that use them quite elegantly (Metroid, Galaxy, Wii Sports, World of Goo, etc).
Really? The Xbox had one good game? I liked Halo…somewhat, but it’s far from the Xbox’s best (and only good?) game.
Burnout 3 (One of the best racing games ever made, and bar none, the best in the Burnout series)
Chronicles of Riddick (the best use of stealth and action I’ve ever seen. Amazing visceral, too. I am looking forward to the 360 remake–hopefully they don’t screw it up)
Crimson Skies (the online multiplayer was some of the most fun I’ve had)
Far Cry Instincts (a straight-forward, but fun shooter with fun multiplayer and an amazing map editor. Far Cry 2’s campaign wasn’t as fun, and though the map editor has been improved, I got all I could out of it in this game.)
Halo (single-player was better than the sequels, and LAN multiplayer was godly, even if there were only two maps).
Halo 2 (horrible single-player, but the online multiplayer was great. Better maps than Halo 3.)
Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow (Single-Player sucked, but the incredibly innovative multiplayer made the best use of teamwork I’ve ever seen.)
I suspect that my comparative dislike for the 360 is both me burning out on shooters, as well as their overall quality simply not being any better, apart from improved graphics (which I really don’t give much a damn about).
I suspect that’s the problem. I actually hated it to my first few hours and found it to be frustrating (it didn’t help that I started off playing Twilight Princess, a game I loathe). There is a learning curve for us old-time gamers, it’s just a matter of getting past it.
I grew up on Nintendo (technically Atari 2600 but NES overtook it quickly) in the late 80s and early-to-mid 90s. But then they dropped the ball after the SNES with the N64. Granted, the naming of games with the suffix ‘64’ was annoying but it could be overlooked for marketing purposes, just as it was with the ‘Super’ prefix for a number of the SNES games. However, when Nintendo ventured into 3D territory with N64, it just lost me. I could’ve sworn all the games looked like Mario 64 clones, except they changed the environs and character graphics. I didn’t even bother with Smash Bros (yeah it’s platformer/2D, I know) or Zelda: Ocarina of Time because it was too late – PSX and PS2 won me over with their RPGs and other games.
Even with the arrival of the GameCube, Nintendo had lost out its share of ‘hardcore’ gamers to Playstation and XBox when it went into too-kid-friendly territory. Yeah, PS and XBox may have a few family-friendly titles but at least it still answers to the more rabid gamer community. We want our action, our strategy, some immersion into a game world. Nintendo sure has it good with the casual and non-traditional gamers but why scoff at the rest?
I gave the Wii a try and had fun with it for a short while. Then the XBox 360 came to be known as the gaming console at home. Now, I look at disdain at Nintendo as it currently stands and hope to see the day in the near future where Nintendo will make more of an attempt to serve the wants of its former fanbase.
Because they dont need you anymore. Nintendo is a small company compared to MS and Sony, and they need to choose where they compete. They’ve chosen to sell millions of Wiis to people who never would’ve considered buying a console six years ago. And it is working for them. Apparently very nicely. They can’t compete with Sony and Microsoft for your “hardcore gaming dollars” (of which there aren’t nearly as many, it seems, as casual gaming dollars from the aforementioned folks.) and so they aren’t trying. They are doing what they do and they are doing it well. If what they do isn’t producing games that compete with Gears of War and Halo, that’s their decision.
What is it, exactly, you people think Nintendo -should- be doing?
Red Barchetta: wow, really? I personally thought 2008 was one of the best years for video games in a very long while. I’ve loved have a 360 at this time. Fallout, Fable 2, Banjo Kazooie, Prince of Persia, Skate 2, Burnout, Civ Rev, Culdcept, Tales of Vesperia, Dead Space, Mirror’s Edge, Lost Odyssey, etc etc. There were some GREAT x360 games this year. I’ve been terribly disappointed on the wii side of things, though, for various reasons
This. This this this. Seriously.
Doesn’t it bother anyone else that now we’re getting an add-on that makes the wii remote do everything it was already supposed to do when we bought the system?
