We Have Pigeon Eggs

Well, make that father and daughter after all. The one we call the Pretty One turns out to be a male! We discovered that this morning (Thursday morning) when he had sex with Little Pidgee out on the balcony! :eek:

We thought Henry was trying to go after the Pretty One too, but it was clearly not as serious as with the Girl, so maybe he was just palling around with him. Dunno. But the Pretty One is definitely a male.

And THEN, not more than 20 minutes after that, Little Pidgee had sex with Henry! Our balcony is turning into a Bangkok brothel. I saw Marty just a day or two ago, so he’s still around. But Little Pidgee has been hanging around with the Pretty One for a few days. Has she dumped Marty? Did she finally figure out he’s her son? Is her promiscuity a sign of her grief over Big Pidgee?

We approve of her liaisons with the Pretty One or Henry, either one, but we would like to see her eventually settle down with Henry. Would be good to have some more squabs out there.

An update: Things kept going along as above, with nothing much new to report. One thing is we discovered there are two (2) Pretty Ones, so that explains the confusion over gender. One must be male, the other female.

But word began spreading among the local pigeon population that there was a food buffet here, and more and more began showing up. Henry, who would let in anything with a skirt anyway, could not keep them all out, so more males began arriving. Fights started breaking out, and it was turning into a bit of a mess. There were so many that we thought building management might eventually have to have a word with us. Even this past Sunday, as I cleaned the balcony, a group of no less than six pigeons sat on the window frames nearby watching me, waiting for their chance to return.

So with the situation getting a little out of control, we decided we had to stop leaving food out for a while. That seems to have worked, as they’ve all largely disappeared. Henry still stops by for water, we still leave water out there, but no food out there for a few days. again, this is a neighborhood of abundant resources, so he hasn’t been starving, we’re sure.

After four days, I put some food out again last night. It’s Saturday morning now; have not seen Henry around yet, but we hope he can keep it more to himself this time when he shows up and finds it again.

You know, I’m starting to worry about Henry. You say he’s clearly interested in les femmes, and yet he can’t seem to get a mate.

What’s his problem? Doesn’t he bathe enough? Is he ugly in pigeon terms? Is he socially inept?

Get with it, Henry! We want squabs!

We think he’s quite a handsome lad. But apart from a couple of one-night stands, he’s not had much luck. It’s true we’ve not seen him bathe in a while.

He found the food today. So did the Girl and one of the Pretty Ones. Hope they can keep it under their hat.

Any news? Has Henry found a girlfriend?

Indeed he has. Name of Maggie. She appeared a couple of weeks ago, and they’ve been together ever since. Unfortunately, Little Pidgee has disappeared. Not been seen for more than 2 weeks now.

In mid-December, Little Pidgee was actually attacked by a large male pigeon. She flew right to the ledge outside our dining-room window trying to get away from him. May have considered us a shelter. He sort of screamed at her a bit, then left, but her feathers were all askew, and her left eye was closed up. We thought at first it was missing! It was almost dark, and after her attacker left, she flew over to the balcony. Seemed very disoriented and slept here overnight. Thankfully, her eye was okay the next day, and she seemed back to normal. Gave us quite a scare.

Henry had a brief fling with Little Pidgee, but it didn’t last. Dunno why not. But he never chased her away even after it ended and always let her eat. He chases away most other pigeons, males especially. But he’s with Maggie now, and here are some new photos below:

Some new photos below, all taken over about a month’s time, between December 26 and this past Thursday.

First, a few of Henry, all last month. Henry feeding. Henry staring. Three-quarters view.

Then Maggie appeared out of nowhere one day, I think it was Friday, January 15, and has been here ever since, but never at night. She has a black head and breast, but the rest of her is gray, but not light gray, dark gray, with a bit of Little Pidgee wing markings. May be related. And she doesn’t seem to show up as well in photos, I guess because she’s so dark.

If we leave the sliding glass doors open but close the inner screen doors, Maggie often likes to jump up on the ledge between the two and stare inside. Maggie eyes the food bag. (Actually, she’s staring at me, I think.) And taking a stroll.

Maggie. You can see how orange her eye looks in this one. It’s because her head is so black. It gives her sort of a demonic look sometimes, especially when she stares at us, which she likes to do. The wife says it’s like she’s from the Addams Family, so we often refer to her as Miss Maggie Addams. :smiley: (Someone said Henry was a Blue Grizzle, so we often call him Mr. Henry Blue Grizzle.)

Maggie squeezing under the rail. One of Henry in a pensive mood. And Maggie in her best Marilyn Monroe pose. And Maggie again.

Meal time! The couple share a meal. Still eating. And eating still. I took those while sitting before them with the doors open. They still won’t come eat out of my hand, but if I’m very still, they will come close, especially if there’s food on the floor. Henry often has to break off eating to go chase other pidgees away, while Maggie keeps on eating. And a little postprandial nookie. In the designated sex area, of course. :smiley: That’s Henry at the Moment of Truth; you can’t see Maggie, but she’s there.

And a couple of days later, the loving couple.

Maggie at rest.

A couple of tiny birds have started showing up, taking advantage of the water and the stray seed the pidgees may have missed. We don’t know what kind of birds they are. One of them is here. Henry is feeding on the far right. And here’s a zoom shot of the little guy, but it’s a bit out of focus.

Before Maggie appeared, a very black pigeon showed up and hung around for a week or two. Black black, even the feet. Kept staring at us, and Henry left it alone. We named it Jack, as in Jack Black, or Black Jack. May have been a Jackie, though, as Jack was eventually seen in the company of Marty, and they’ve both disappeared. Henry does tend to not to chase the emales away.

We had to stop putting out a food container. It was getting out of hand. I counted nine pigeons out there one ay, all trying to eat! And Henry was going berserk trying to chase them away, running around like a Keystone Kop. Now we just pour a little food out onto the floor whenever we see Henry and Maggie, and this atrgeted feeding seems to have worked. Much fewer outside pigeons now.

Oh, excellent! I’m glad I asked. Congratulations to the Grizzle-Adams household! I can’t wait to see how the young’uns look, with him so pale and her so dark.

(Grizzly Adams? <giggle>)

Funny thing is they don’t seem interested in nesting here. They show no interest in the flower box. Just come by every day for a feed and to hang out. But yes, we want to see what their offspring look like.

The little guy in those last two photos has been identified as a Eurasian tree sparrow. And word seems to be getting out among them, as there were three (3) of them here today (Sunday).

Meanwhile, there are plans to renovate a large park in central Bangkok, called Sanam Luang, which necessitates the removal of an estimated 10,000 feral pigeons. This has proved highly controversial. Stories here and here.

Last night (Tuesday night) on TV, the wife saw an “expert” trying to reassure people who had raised the question of parents and squabs. This “expert” said each of the birds would have their bills inspected, and if it the rim of the bill were dirty, that would be a sign it was a mother involved in feeding her babies. What the … ??? :confused: Some “expert.” Sheesh! Never mind that fathers feed, too, and probably more than the mothers. And even if all of that were true, he didn’t say what then. And I’m very sure these very low-paid municipal employees are going to inspect the bills of each and every one of these 10,000 pigeons. :mad:

Henry and Maggie have been together a full three weeks today (Friday). She must think she’s found food heaven. Eats a LOT more than Henry does. Henry always finishes first, while Maggie keeps on feeding. And then Henry, true gentleman that he is, does a very cute thing: He stands guard while she continues eating. He is noticeably doing this, standing erect like a soldier, I guess to protect her.

I don’t think Maggie has laid any eggs anywhere. They both hang out here for most of the day. If they had eggs, one of them would be sitting on them. And they don’t seem interested in building a nest in the flower box. They’ve sure been going at it like teenagers, though.

Maybe Maggie is too young to lay eggs?

Thought: maybe you could put a handful of twigs on the floor near the nesting box. You know, hint, hint?

Well that’s a thought. There is one other couple that tend to hang around now, and Henry always chases them off. But he’s not here every minute, and if anyone is going to live here, we want it to be Henry and Maggie.

The flower box is empty now. We emptied the dirt in it because I had the bright idea of putting the food in there, and Marty got to taking to scooping the dirt out trying to get at buried nuggets. But Marty has disappeared with Jack(ie). But Maggie did try jumpinig up on an edge a day or two ago, and it almost tipped over. That could be making them shy away from it. We’ll put some more dirt in this weekend.

We think Henry and Maggie have a nest with eggs somewhere else. A couple of weeks ago, they broke their routine and now are usually not here at the same time. There’s a little overlap sometimes, but mostly their appearances now coincide with what their shifts on a clutch of eggs would be. They still stop by regularly for their snack.

About a week and a half ago, a new pigeon showed up, whom we call Blackfoot, for obvious reasons. Small, very small, so we thought maybe it’s a girl, but it acts very aggressive and chases Maggie and even Henry away from the food whenever it’s out there. Does not seem to care if they’re off the balcony or not, just does not want them near the food. All the while, Henry is still chasing much larger male pigeons away from the balcony. We can’t figure out why he’s so intimidated by this very small, possibly female pidgee.

Except in the last couple of days, he and Maggie both have apparently grown tired of Blackfoot’s nonsens and have fought back, easily chasing Blackfoot away. Pidgee social dynamics are so often very much a mystery to us. :confused:

New photos!

First I should explain that in the past few weeks, a couple of new, seemingly young pidgees have appeared, and we think they may be Henry and Maggie’s squabs. If they are, then Henry and Maggie must have been together since before her first appearance on our balcony in mid-January. Otherwise, the timeline just doesn’t sync.

One of the pidgees we call Henry Jr., because it’s an almost carbon copy of Henry. A little more black on the throat, a little less on the head, and wing-tip pattern less symmetrical, but otherwise looking a lot like him. Small, though, and a little feminine-looking, so might be a female. The other one we call the Kid, and we think it’s a female. She’s just your normal-looking gray pidgee but has a very sleek and smooth head and a very iridescent neck.

And on Friday for the first time, the Kid ate out of my hand! :smiley: Sat inside with my hand stretched out to the balcony and remained motionless. The Kid finally worked up the nerve to come pecking. I tried not to move, so I didn’t really look around, but the wife said Henry looked positively shocked that the Kid would do such a thing. Maggie seemed to be thinking about it, and she did come close, but simply could not work up the nerve. The Kid ate out of the wife’s hand the next morning.

Now for the new photos:

Maggie and Henry. Maggie looks like a normal pidgee, but Henry just looks like a stuffed doll, both in photos and in person. A really beautiful bird.

Maggie gets comfortable inside the flower box. Note that she’s on one leg. We had hoped this meant they might build a nest there, but no.

Maggie and a little guy, one of the Eurasian tree sparrows that have taken to stopping by.

Maggie snoozing, on one leg on the edge of the flower box.

Henry eating.

Finally we have Henry Jr., on the rail. Note the extra blackness on the throat. And you cannot see it here, but this one’s right wing is pure right. If you look at the previous photo, of Henry, you can see his right wing is white with a dark lining, but not Junior’s. Junior’s left wing does have a pattern, though, as you’ll see shortly.

And now what you’ve all been waiting for: Me feeding the Kid. Henry’s looking slightly aghast, Maggie seems to be thinking about it; we’re fairly sure they are the parents, even though Henry chases the two younger ones away, especially Junior.

Still feeding the kid. Maggie looks really interested, but she just could not bring herself to do it. This is as close as she dared come.

Henry Jr. in our dining-room window. You can see the design on his – or her – left wing here, similar to Henry’s. Less black on top of the head, too.

We think Henry Jr. must be the younger sibling, because the Kid seems more confident, and Junior has this really cute way of flying, like a novice. For some reason Henry REALLY does not want Junior here. When he chases the Kid, it’s more half-hearted, but he really goes after Junior. Maybe annoyed because the squabs followed him and discovered this daytime hideaway?

How neat! We’ll have to call you the pigeon whisperer. :slight_smile:

We are absolutely convinced the Kid and Junior are siblings. They act the part. Junior’s disappeared again though, but the Kid keeps coming around and is pretty bold. This one has some guts to her. She’ll even fly to the dining-room window to stare in at us if we’re not forthcoming with food. And she’ll still eat out of our hands, although she remains skittish.

Henry and Maggie are back to “doing it” pretty regularly in the designated sex area and are often here together again. She must not have laid new eggs yet wherever their nest is.

Only 2-1/2 weeks until we leave. I’m already starting to worry about how disappointed Henry and Maggie will be. Hope they’re still around when we return.

LOL! You’re right! In photos of Henry alone, he looks like a regular pigeon, but with other pigeons, he looks plush! Too big and beautiful to be real. I loved all the pics. Keep up the good work!

How long will you be gone? Have a great time.

Thanks! Not long in human terms, but for the pidgees it will probably seem an eternity. :wink:

I guess the Kid is getting older and wiser, because she’s stopped hand-feeding. Won’t come that close now. Has lost her innocence.

Henry Jr stops by more often and is definitely a male. He’s started doing Angry Dances against other pigeons and seems to consider this his place now. Has even pecked at a couple. But for some reason, Henry himself positively HATES Junior, will become enraged at his sight.

A few more photos before we head out of here this weekend. Again, we are 99.99% certain that Henry Jr. and the Kid are brother/sister and 95% certain that Henry and Maggie are the parents.

Sunday, March 14
Mrs. Siam Sam hand-feeds the Kid. This is when we could still coax the Kid into doing this. She won’t come close now. Must have figured out it’s possibly not a good idea to get very close to humans.
Sunday, March 28
Henry Jr. and the Kid lounging on the window frames.

And with Maggie, who is probably their mother and here is practicing her ballet. We expect they’ll all be spending a lot more time over there on the mansion grounds while we’re away.
Wednesday, March 31
The Kid and Henry Jr. hangin’. And then Junior gets comfy while the Kid starts checking me out.
Henry still comes around of course, but I have no new interesting shots of him. But hen remains master of the balcony. We’re getting a little too many pidgees coming around again, and Henry spends a lot of his time running around and chasing them away. As much as we’ll miss Henry and Maggie – and even Junior and the Kid – we’re hoping many of the regular crew will take the next few weeks as a cue to go out into the world. Blackfoot too, he – and he’s a he for sure, as we’ve seen him do the male puffing out of the throat – just likes to lounge around in the tree pots, hoping to eat whatever leftovers Henry leaves behind. The Pretty One acts the big boss when Henry’s not around but gets chased off by Henry when he returns. Henry Jr. acts the big boss when Henry and the Pretty One are both gone.