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This is jingoistic dreck.
Yes, let’s attack a couple more countries for good measure because we don’t have enough problems right now. We, as a nation, could certainly handle it, externally and internally, and the rest of the world wouldn’t have a problem with it. No, not at all…
In fact, why would we even using ground troops when we have a a few perfectly good trident subs kicking around?
:rolleyes:
It does not, however, mean a defeat of Islam, which is neither desirable nor possible.
Please do not forget that civilization includes the Islamic world.
OTOH, Vietnam, while it remains nominally Communist, is safer, freer and more prosperous now than at any time in its long and bloody history. You have to look at things in the long run.
What an incredibly ignorant statement. That’s like saying after Stalin’s purges or the Kozaks things were more peaceful.
Sure, if you KILL all the opposition things are good for awhile.
And people wonder why I think the leftists encourage the murder of the opposition… It’s because your type openly supports the results of mass genocide.
Wrong. I doubt you’d know the difference either. Ask their women or infidels that live there.
Or do you consider their treatment of women and dhimmis ‘civilized’?
And how? We’re already stretched to the maximum trying to hold down Iraq. And you can forget about bringing back the draft, it ain’t gonna happen.
There was a lot of killing when South Vietnam fell but there was no “mass genocide.” You need to check your cites. I still think things have gone far better for that country, on the whole and in the long run, than they would have gone if the U.S. forces had stuck it out. Just as things have gone better for the Russian (and the American) people than they would have gone if the Cold War had ever escalated to a Hot War – even one without nukes.
Because of course, if only we stayed in Vietnam a little bit longer, we would have been victorious. :smack:
Communist countries tend to be pretty safe, if you mean that they have low crime rates. You do know why, right?
Freeer? I’d like a cite for that.
More prosperous? It may well be, but I’d like a cite for that, too. And let’s keep in mind that that isn’t the relevant metric. How is it faring compared to other countries in the region as opposed to how it fared against them in the past? That’s what matters. Most countries are “more prosperous” now than they were in the past.
Sigh… Cut and run! Cut and Run!
Hell, just surrender in the first place when evil (especially evil leftists agree with) attack!
Give that glutton a year in a real communist country or an islamic one and he’d be a snobbing baby to return to the evil old USA.
People that don’t know what it’s like in our enemy countries tend to praise it. Those that do know, don’t.
After invading Iraq 600,000 iraqis are dead and more are coming. 2 million are refuges and more are getting out. I have seen that pacification working in El Salvador before.
(And it was the Bush administration that came up with the idea of applying an “El Salvador Option” in Iraq.)
That 600k # is debunked. If you’re talking about Iraqi insurgents and jihadists, and old Saddam army bastards, ok. You cry for them.
Many groups that are on left and others confused on being on the left by people like you have condemned that for ages.
It’s not a strawman at all. Well, at least it wasn’t back during the CPA days.
People like me? Do you have any idea? I’m pro women, pro individual, anti communism, anti islam.
What ‘people like me’ have been on the left?
I’m still waiting for the question I asked a while ago, Trotsky: How are the Islamists going to conquer the world?
I say they’re too weak. The most they can do is kill a few Westerners here and there in hit-and-run terrorist attacks. That’s something we should try to prevent, obviously, but on the threat-o-meter it’s barely a tick compared to the historical threats posed by Nazism and Communism.
It’s certainly not because they’re any readier to incarcerate offenders than we are.
No cite, I just note that the economy has been liberalized, compared to the setup North Vietnam had during the war; and South Vietnam, for its part, while it had a market economy, had nothing to admire in its human-rights record; and the regimes that preceded both were fairly oblivious to the concept.
Of course, Vietnam is still not a free country the way that, say, Thailand is. OTOH, it is a free country in the sense of being completely independent of foreign domination. I’m sure a lot of the VC fought primarily for that, not for a Communist utopia.
Vietnam is at any rate more prosperous, I’m sure, than it would have been if the war had dragged along another 5 or 10 years. At any rate, its economy has grown steadily more prosperous with time, especially since 1986 when the government abandoned Marxist economic planning.
Yeah, there was no “mass genocide” (whatever that is), but you mention “a lot of killing” like it was just a few broken eggs going into an omelet. Let’s not forget the ~1 million sent to “re-education camps” (many of whom died) and the hundreds of thousands that ended up in refugee camps or crammed into boats to get out.
Cite?
It was never debunked in this thread, at any rate. If you’ve got some new information, bring it.
And the dead are only part of the story. The refugee problem is even worse – and certain to persist for some time after we leave.
How?
Read the rand report on a nuclear detonation in Long Beach, of a primitive 10kt device.