Yeah, Vietnam is now a major threat to the world. :rolleyes:
Those harmless nuts… They managed to attack the USA even more than WW2 era Japan. But boy they’re just harmless little puppies!
Way to misread! I’m saying that their people would’ve been better off if we stayed and defended them like we did South Korea.
But thanks for trying!
You know, I remember a time when conservatives blasted Bill Clinton for “nation building”. Funny how the worm turns.
That’s odd. South Vietnam was already a nation. We were defending it by their request.
Iraq is a more pure ‘nation building’ situation. I’d say in the post cold war era, rogue nations are a bit more dangerous than before and it just might be necessary.
The problem with clinton’s version? He wanted to build the wrong side up.
This is arrant nonsense. The terrorists may have hated “us” at maximum already… but the average Muslim in the street didn’t. US and UK policy has encouraged tens of thousands formerly apathetic people into taking a violent position against us.
You do know, don’t you, that Saddam Hussein himself was an ENEMY of jihadist Islam? And by booting him him out of power we destroyed the main regional counterweight to the religious nuts in Iran?
If you recall, Saddam, while killing good people, also killed Islamists, like Sadr’s father. The vacuum is of his creation. To punish him for killing a thousand, we’ve set up a situation where 10,00 have been killed. (Scale appropriately.) And for what? For non-existent WMDs, a non-existent nuke program, and the promise of a democracy which even you say is a pipe dream.
You and your buddy Bush are the biggest friends Osama ever had. Remember who it was who pulled resources away from the real terrorists to invade Iraq.
You really don’t know your history very well. Consider the 12,000 American soldiers taken prisoner when the Japanese conquered the Phillipines – an American commonwealth. Is there any Islamic country in the world powerful enough to invade and conquer an American territory and take that many prisoners?
You mean the ones still alive. Not to mention the dead American troops who would have deluxe accomodations at Arlington.
Which of the 9/11 attackers came from Iraq again?
Notice that the justified war, in Afghanistan, still has support. Most people only object to Bush not giving enough resources to it, and to his turning a blind eye to the al Qaeda safe haven in Pakistan. If we hadn’t invaded Iraq, how many active Islamists do you think would be there?
POW’s isn’t the same. Jeezus.
I wouldn’t mind opening up the war against Pakistan as well.
And certainly Iran.
Iraq was the ‘easy’ one to go after. I’m glad we did for preventative measures. However, there’s a lot more that we need to get to.
With what army?
Japan was powerful enough to invade and CONQUER an American territory, killing 2500 American soldiers and taking 12,000 American prisoners. Nazi Germany was powerful enough to bomb huge chunks of England into rubble, killing 43,000 civilians. They were serious threats to Americans and American interests. Al Qaeda is a flea by comparison.
I’ll ask you again: How exactly are the Islamicists going to conquer the world?
Still waiting for you to tell me about the Islamists who were swarming Iraq before we invaded. Saddam’s Iraq had equal rights for women, and Christians in high government positions. Iraq was indeed a dictatorship, but it was an equal opportunity dictatorship.
Not to mention that the war with Iran was pretty helpful. You think Iran is in better or worse position to influence the Muslim world from our invasion?
Ok, now you confirmed that you are an ignorant of history.
http://www.jfklibrary.org/Historical+Resources/JFK+in+History/Vietnam.htm
We disregarded the will of the Vietnamese by pretending a failed government in the south represented the will of all Vietnamese. More than 1 million Vietnamese and 58000 American soldiers dead were the result.
That is why the whole thing reminded me of the 4th crusade. Europe was supposed to invade Israel, but to pay for the war the crusaders invaded Constantinople! ‘easy’ because they were weak then. Never mind that they were not Muslim then, they were Orthodox Christians. (“Just as bad!” many crusaders tought) The result though was that once they pillaged Constantinople they still realized it was a waste to continue to Jerusalem and so the crusades ended by showing future generations the bastards those crusaders were.
Saddam was an enemy of Bin Laden and Iran.
Back to another past war: The allies decided in WWII it was best for the future of humanity to support soviet Russia in the struggle against Hitler, I shudder to think what may have happened if the Bush administration crowd was in charge then.
I have seen reports that Bush has a bust of Churchill in his desk. I wonder if Bush ever notices that Churchill frowns on him.
As a matter of fact, the Iraqi army and police forces we are training are riddled with insurgents – some of whose allegiances are not even secret. See here.
Why? Musharraff is our ally. In fact, the way things are going there, it’s conceivable that we might end up sending troops there to defend his government; and not all of its enemies are jihadists.