To which the counter argument is
It ain’t over 'til it’s over.
Well, look, can’t we find the fat lady and persuade her to sing?
Stranger On A Train
Lately, I haven’t been posting to the SDMB as often as I used to, but I couldn’t resist joining a “Dubya-Bashing” thread. Anyway, Stranger, that was a well-conceived and well-expressed essay on the Commandable In Chief. Keep up the good work. 
I wrote a different post, making fun of Bush’s statements. But I didn’t have the heart to post it. American soldiers are dying. And a lot more are going to be sacrificed before George Bush will be willing to stop and admit he may have made a mistake. Assuming he ever reaches that point - he’s already absorbed several thousand dead and it doesn’t seem to have had any effect on him. It isn’t a joking situation - his incompetence is killing people.
“We’re not going to stop twisting the knife and take it out of his guts till he stops bleeding”.
But that is not very specific. What has to happen in Iraq for the situation to be defined as “stable”? Is there a certain number of Iraqi troops that have to be trained? Is there a certain number of insurgency attacks a day that has to be reduced to? A certain number of elections that have to take place?
If we are waiting for all violence to cease that simply isn’t going to happen as long as US troops are present. And the violence probably won’t cease after US troops leave until the Sunnis either accept that they no longer run the country (which could take decades) or regain control of it.
So just what is the measure by which the US will decide when it is time to leave? It feels as if we have no means by which to make this decision beyond how nervous the Republicans get come election time.
Dead is stable. I’m just sayin’.
Ladies and gentlemen, no more phone calls please…we have a winner.
Cheney is trying to make it legal for the CIA to torture her, so we’ll see.
Can’t. That’s a problem as I see it. Remember, the last election came down to the words ‘Flip flopping’. It made changing your mind the worst political ‘sin’ you can make. Going back on what you said, even if it’s because of new evidence or whatever.
It’s called changing your mind. But our politicians have made that a bad, bad thing. Now we must stay the course, no matter how silly, pointless, or life-sacrificing it may be.
Why do people keep bringing this up? Sex is a private matter. Now a President perjuring himself in a sexual harrassment lawsuit that has been brought against him is the public’s business. Unless you think that sexual harrassment is not or should not be a crime.
What a fascinating line of inquiry! We really should discuss this at length. Elsewhere. At some other time. That isn’t here. Or now.
I hear this all the time, and it’s seen as some kind of self-evident truth, but I am increasingly beginning to doubt that we will see a stable Iraq as long as we have troops present in the country. Sure, we could stay there 50 years, but all that happens is that the insurgency changes from a rebellion against the invaders to a rebellion against the status quo. It’s going to be a disaster no matter when we pull out, unless we are very fortunate indeed, and I don’t think putting things off will make much difference in that.
We can only hope that a strong leadership devoted to peace and (hopefully) democracy (though we should really take what we can get, short of tyranny and oppression) will emerge to bring stability to Iraq with the departure of American troops. Or, hell, even while we’re still there. But that’s a romantic possibility for which I do not see very much hope :(.
Mmmm Mmmm; ice cream sundaes with an extra sprinkling of fairy dust. 
Iraq fraud arrests expose criminality of US occupation
Auditor urges Iraq corruption crackdown
Iraq’s interim Prime Minister quickly learned the limits of his office. What awaits the next guy?
No kidding, squink. We can wish for it all we want, but it ain’t going to happen. There’s always hope, but… while we’re at it, I want a pony.
Have you nothing new to say? The Chewbacca defense only works for people much more clever than you.
You’ve not go the brains nor the balls to pull it off.
-Joe
Could someone help me out here?
Heavy reliance on red herrings. It’s a South Park reference, from a Johnnie Cochrane parody:
If you do it right, juror’s heads explode.
Funny you would bring up brains. Let’s see, your post clearly implies that I must have repeatedly posted the same thing before. Not necessarily the using the exact smae words. I grant you, but that I’ve made that point repeatedly. Now let’s see, I’ve posted over 970 times, so according to you quite a few of them would have been posts making the similar point. So, how many times have I done so? Since you made the claim, I ask you to count them. (My guess is two or three, and not recently. But hey, knock yourself out.) Now if you do go back and count them and there are only a couple, should I expect a retraction?
And for the record, I did not bring the subject up. I was simply commenting on a previous post that seemed to miss the point of the issue. So, you know, fighting ignorance and all that.
There have been many times I’ve let this little propaganda soundbite slide, but I think I’ll take it as a charge of mine to fight the ignorance in this regard. Thanks for pointing out how important the charade is to some.
Thanks, LM.
And Magellen01, something isn’t a new thing to say if lots of people have said it. Even if the person now saying it isn’t the person who has often said it before.