Zeldar
November 20, 2015, 6:17pm
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Barkis_is_Willin:
Right. You can’t lump P5 teams in with the true cupcakes of the world. BC, Wake Forest and the bottom dwellers of the P5 conferences are still miles better than the best of the FCS programs, no matter what Nick Saban would have you think.
This might make for some fun analysis by anyone really interested. Query: Which FCS team – over the past 20 years – has the best record against FBS teams?
At least one source for that information is Welcome cfbdatawarehouse.com - BlueHost.com although there must be something easier to search.
Before Appalachian St. (NC) dismantled Michigan a few years ago – and has since moved to FBS – there must be some other noteworthy exceptions to your general rule.
Does anybody have a better source for such things?
Zeldar
November 20, 2015, 6:32pm
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There you go. Just looking at the weaker teams of FBS, let’s say all teams from non-P5 conferences, they win at an 80% clip against FCS teams. I think it’s more than fair, then, to say that the weaker P5 teams are several notches above FCS teams.
Zeldar
November 20, 2015, 7:12pm
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Barkis_is_Willin:
There you go. Just looking at the weaker teams of FBS, let’s say all teams from non-P5 conferences, they win at an 80% clip against FCS teams. I think it’s more than fair, then, to say that the weaker P5 teams are several notches above FCS teams.
I suspect you’re correct on the issue as a whole. However, I’d like to see the overall record of such things, if it exists already. I’m not curious enough to crunch the numbers myself, though. After all, the fact that there are two divisions must mean something other than a convenient split.
Nevertheless, it’s educational to look at Sagarin’s ranking of both divisions’ schools at College Football Ratings Page
Unfortunately there are not all that many matchups each year to put the issue to a real test. So we are left looking at external guesswork and opinions to try to arrive at something meaningful. That’s why they play games, I suppose.
Is it too late to make changes to my picks? If not I’d like to switch my Wisconsin pick to Northwestern.
Zeldar
November 20, 2015, 7:36pm
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No, not too late. I’ll fix it.
As for the “Too Late” issue, I’ll freeze where things stand as of Noon Saturday which will cover these games:
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12:00 PM EST ESP2
12:00 PM EST ABC
It will still be possible to vote in the poll until
but I’ll keep score based on the latest version of
UPDATING:
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Clem OHSt Bama OKState NotDam Iowa Okla Flor MichSt Bayl TCU NorCar Hous Mich Stan FLState LSU Utah Navy NWest Wisc USC Oreg WashSt Missis
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Barkis is Willin' 7 OHSt OKState Okla Utah NWest Oreg Missis
basset hound 6 OHSt OKState TCU NWest Oreg Missis
BigAppleBucky 8 OKState NotDam MichSt TCU Mich LSU NWest Oreg
BobLibDem 10 OHSt Bama OKState NotDam Okla Flor Mich LSU Wisc Oreg
dba Fred 7 OHSt Bayl TCU Stan NWest USC Missis
Death of Rats (6) MichSt (Bayl) TCU LSU NWest Oreg
DinoR (7) OHSt (OKState) TCU Mich LSU NWest USC
DMC (6) (OKState) MichSt TCU NWest Oreg Missis
Jackmannii 6 () OKState () () () NorCar Navy NWest USC Missis
Kitten Mitten 5 OHSt Bama () Bayl () Mich FLState () () () () () ()
Nauplius (6) OKState MichSt TCU (NWest) (--) USC Missis
Oakminster 6 MichSt Bayl TCU LSU NWest USC
Oredigger77 6 OKState MichSt TCU NWest Oreg Missis
txtumbleweed 7 OHSt OKState Okla Mich LSU NWest USC
Wolverine 6 Okla MichSt Bayl NWest USC Missis
Zeldar 6 OKState MichSt TCU NWest Oreg Missis
Zyanthia 6 OKState Okla MichSt NWest Oreg Missis
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Clem OHSt Bama OKState NotDam Iowa Okla Flor MichSt Bayl TCU NorCar Hous Mich Stan FLState LSU Utah Navy NWest Wisc USC Oreg WashSt Missis
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17 (111) 0 7 2 (12) 2 0 5 1 9 (5) 10 1 0 5 1 1 6 1 1 (15) (1) 7 9 0 10 /(111)
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Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 17
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Zeldar:
I suspect you’re correct on the issue as a whole. However, I’d like to see the overall record of such things, if it exists already. I’m not curious enough to crunch the numbers myself, though. After all, the fact that there are two divisions must mean something other than a convenient split.
Nevertheless, it’s educational to look at Sagarin’s ranking of both divisions’ schools at http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm
Unfortunately there are not all that many matchups each year to put the issue to a real test. So we are left looking at external guesswork and opinions to try to arrive at something meaningful. That’s why they play games, I suppose.
I had no idea that UNC Charlotte was in FBS. For what it’s worth, the lowest ranked P5 team, according to Sagarin, is Kansas at 135. And the next lowest P5 team, because Kansas is monumentally terrible, is Oregon State at 104.
Zeldar
November 20, 2015, 8:40pm
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Barkis_is_Willin:
I had no idea that UNC Charlotte was in FBS. For what it’s worth, the lowest ranked P5 team, according to Sagarin, is Kansas at 135. And the next lowest P5 team, because Kansas is monumentally terrible, is Oregon State at 104.
Another thing that I’m too lazy to do (and that I mentioned elsewhere) would be to take each of the conferences/divisions and find the differences between their highest and lowest teams (Sagarin numbers) and use those numbers to “rank the conferences” for some “gee whiz” speculation. Anybody want to do such a thing? For kicks and/or bragging rights?
I want to pick Arizona State to lose, I know they’re not in the Top 25 but they were ; and they’re playing Arizona who also isn’t in the Top 25 but they also were .
Zeldar
November 21, 2015, 12:12pm
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How would you propose we score your picks? Add them to your others? If so, I’ll adjust your final score by -1 if AZ State wins, and +1 if they lose. That work for you?
Just for the record (and for all to consider) there’s a list of upsets for this year at
The 2015 NCAA Division I FBS football season was the highest level of college football competition in the United States organized by the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA). The regular season began on September 3, 2015 and ended on December 12, 2015. The postseason concluded on January 11, 2016 with Alabama defeating Clemson in the 2016 College Football Playoff National Championship. This was the second season of the College Football Playoff (CFP) championship system.
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Can I wait till after the game to say if I accept your proposal?
Zeldar
November 21, 2015, 2:25pm
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Well, since we’re mostly dealing in Pride Points and no money (that I’m aware of) and since you stand to lose as much as you’ll gain for the extra game, I can’t see the harm.
In the interest of fair play, if others want the same option of picking other games this week, with the +/- points to be considered, and want to post that request by NOON today, I’ll try to oblige.
The season is winding down and the bloom is off the rose by now, so I’m open to ways to spice up the action. Maybe another thread is the place to deal with it, but are there any suggestions/requests for the Bowl Season this time? Here’s how it played out last year:
Pick the WINNERS in the Dec/20 CFB Bowl Games Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 10. This poll is closed
Pick the WINNERS in the Dec/22-24 CFB Bowl Games Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 10. This poll is closed
Pick the WINNERS in the Dec/26-27 CFB Bowl Games Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 12. This poll is closed
Pick the WINNERS in the Dec/29-30 CFB Bowl Games Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 10. This poll is closed
Pick the WINNERS in the Dec/31-Jan/1 CFB Bowl Games Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 17. This poll is closed
Pick the WINNERS in the Jan/2-Jan/4 CFB Bowl Games Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 11. This poll is closed
Pick the WINNER in the Jan/12 CFB Bowl Game Voters: 33. This poll is closed
As you can see, the participation was mild by comparison to the Regular Season.
Zeldar
November 21, 2015, 6:14pm
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Here are the final votes (including the () adjustments):
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Clem OHSt Bama OKState NotDam Iowa Okla Flor MichSt Bayl TCU NorCar Hous Mich Stan FLState LSU Utah Navy NWest Wisc USC Oreg WashSt Missis AZSt
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Barkis is Willin' 7 OHSt OKState Okla Utah NWest Oreg Missis
basset hound 6 OHSt OKState TCU NWest Oreg Missis
BigAppleBucky 8 OKState NotDam MichSt TCU Mich LSU NWest Oreg
BobLibDem 10 OHSt Bama OKState NotDam Okla Flor Mich LSU Wisc Oreg
dba Fred (8) OHSt Bayl TCU Stan NWest USC Missis (AZSt)
Death of Rats (6) MichSt (Bayl) TCU LSU NWest Oreg
DinoR (7) OHSt (OKState) TCU Mich LSU NWest USC
DMC (6) (OKState) MichSt TCU NWest Oreg Missis
Jackmannii 6 () OKState () () () NorCar Navy NWest USC Missis
Kitten Mitten 5 OHSt Bama () Bayl () Mich FLState () () () () () ()
Nauplius (6) OKState MichSt TCU (NWest) (--) USC Missis
Oakminster 6 MichSt Bayl TCU LSU NWest USC
Oredigger77 6 OKState MichSt TCU NWest Oreg Missis
txtumbleweed 7 OHSt OKState Okla Mich LSU NWest USC
Wolverine 6 Okla MichSt Bayl NWest USC Missis
Zeldar 6 OKState MichSt TCU NWest Oreg Missis
Zyanthia 6 OKState Okla MichSt NWest Oreg Missis
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Clem OHSt Bama OKState NotDam Iowa Okla Flor MichSt Bayl TCU NorCar Hous Mich Stan FLState LSU Utah Navy NWest Wisc USC Oreg WashSt Missis AZSt
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17 (112) 0 7 2 (12) 2 0 5 1 9 (5) 10 1 0 5 1 1 6 1 1 (15) (1) 7 9 0 10 (1) /(112)
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Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 17
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Notre Dame is losing tonight.
Do I really believe that? No. But they’re playing my school.
Don’t let your dream be dreams.
Too bad you didn’t factor in the officiating and stayed with Wisconsin.
Big Ten office to issue an apology on Monday.
Zeldar
November 22, 2015, 6:55am
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Final Scores (second group sorted):
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Clem OHSt Bama OKState NotDam Iowa Okla Flor MichSt Bayl TCU NorCar Hous Mich Stan FLState LSU Utah Navy NWest Wisc USC Oreg WashSt Missis AZSt
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Barkis is Willin' -1/7 +1 +1 -1 +1 -1 -1 -1
basset hound 0/6 +1 +1 +1 -1 -1 -1
BigAppleBucky -2/8 +1 -1 -1 +1 -1 +1 -1 -1
BobLibDem -2/10 +1 -1 +1 -1 -1 -1 -1 +1 +1 -1
dba Fred (8) +1 -1 +1 Stan -1 +1 -1 (-1)
Death of Rats -2/(6) -1 (-1) +1 +1 -1 -1
DinoR +3/(7) +1 (+1) +1 -1 +1 -1 +1
DMC -2/(6) (+1) -1 +1 -1 -1 -1
Jackmannii -3/6 (--) +1 () (-1) () -1 -1 -1 +1 -1
Kitten Mitten -6/5 +1 -1 () -1 () -1 -1 (--) (-1) (--) (--) (-1) (-1)
Nauplius 0/(6) +1 -1 +1 (-1) (--) +1 -1
Oakminster 0/6 -1 -1 +1 +1 -1 +1
Oredigger77 -2/6 +1 -1 +1 -1 -1 -1
txtumbleweed +1/7 +1 +1 -1 -1 +1 -1 +1
Wolverine -4/6 -1 -1 -1 -1 +1 -1
Zeldar -2/6 +1 -1 +1 -1 -1 -1
Zyanthia -4/6 +1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
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Clem OHSt Bama OKState NotDam Iowa Okla Flor MichSt Bayl TCU NorCar Hous Mich Stan FLState LSU Utah Navy NWest Wisc USC Oreg WashSt Missis AZSt
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17 (112) 0 7 2 (12) 2 0 5 1 9 (5) 10 1 0 5 1 1 6 1 1 (15) (1) 7 9 0 10 (1) /(112)
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Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 17
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Clem OHSt Bama OKState NotDam Iowa Okla Flor MichSt Bayl TCU NorCar Hous Mich Stan FLState LSU Utah Navy NWest Wisc USC Oreg WashSt Missis AZSt
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DinoR +3/(7) +1 (+1) +1 -1 +1 -1 +1
txtumbleweed +1/7 +1 +1 -1 -1 +1 -1 +1
basset hound 0/6 +1 +1 +1 -1 -1 -1
Nauplius 0/(6) +1 -1 +1 (-1) (--) +1 -1
Oakminster 0/6 -1 -1 +1 +1 -1 +1
Barkis is Willin' -1/7 +1 +1 -1 +1 -1 -1 -1
Death of Rats -2/(6) -1 (-1) +1 +1 -1 -1
DMC -2/(6) (+1) -1 +1 -1 -1 -1
Oredigger77 -2/6 +1 -1 +1 -1 -1 -1
Zeldar -2/6 +1 -1 +1 -1 -1 -1
BigAppleBucky -2/8 +1 -1 -1 +1 -1 +1 -1 -1
dba Fred -2/(8) +1 -1 +1 -1 -1 +1 -1 (-1)
BobLibDem -2/10 +1 -1 +1 -1 -1 -1 -1 +1 +1 -1
Jackmannii -3/6 (--) +1 () (-1) () -1 -1 -1 +1 -1
Wolverine -4/6 -1 -1 -1 -1 +1 -1
Zyanthia -4/6 +1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
Kitten Mitten -6/5 +1 -1 () -1 () -1 -1 (--) (-1) (--) (--) (-1) (-1)
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Clem OHSt Bama OKState NotDam Iowa Okla Flor MichSt Bayl TCU NorCar Hous Mich Stan FLState LSU Utah Navy NWest Wisc USC Oreg WashSt Missis AZSt
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17 (112) 0 7 2 (12) 2 0 5 1 9 (5) 10 1 0 5 1 1 6 1 1 (15) (1) 7 9 0 10 (1) /(112)
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Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 17
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Zeldar
November 22, 2015, 6:57am
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Cumulative Scores:
Total Week 1 Week 2 Week 3 Week 4 Week 5 Week 6 Week 7 Week 8 Week 9 Week10 Week11 Week12
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Nauplius +11/45 +1/3 +4/4 +1/5 +1/3 -1/5 +1/3 +1/5 0/2 +2/2 -2/4 +3/3 0/(6)
RetroVertigo +7/13 +3/3 +3/3 0/4 +1/3
Barkis is Willin' +6/53 0/1 +1/3 +3/5 +1/5 -1/5 0/4 +1/7 +1/5 +1/3 -2/(4) +2/4 -1/7
jsc1953 +5/7 +2/4 +3/3
bump +5/15 +2/4 +2/6 +1/5
basset hound +5/45 +3/3 -1/5 +1/3 +4/6 -3/5 0/6 0/4 -1/3 +2/4 0/6
yellowjacketcoder +4/16 +2/4 +2/4 -1/5 +1/3
tonyfop +3/5 +3/5
Wolverine +3/45 +2/2 +1/3 +2/4 -2/4 +3/7 +2/2 -3/5 -1/1 +2/2 +1/(5) 0/4 -4/6
USCDiver +2/26 0/6 +1/3 -3/7 +2/4 +2/6 10
Oakminster +2/40 +1/3 -1/3 -2/4 +3/3 -1/(5) 0/2 +2/6 +1/1 -1/1 +1/3 -1/3 0/6
txtumbleweed +2/46 +3/3 +1/3 -3/5 -2/4 +1/5 -1/3 0/6 0/2 +1/5 +1/3 +1/7
Chingon +1/2 +1/2
astorian +1/3 +1/3
Munch +1/21 +1/5 -1/7 0/6 +1/3
excavating (for a mind) +1/25 +1/5 +1/3 -1/5 +1/5 +1/3 -2/4
DinoR +1/29 +1/5 -3/3 -2/6 +1/1 0/4 +1/3 +3/(7)
hende 0/1 0/1
zoog 0/2 0/2
russian heel 0/3 0/3 20
Jman 0/3 0/3
Apex Rogers 0/4 0/4
Sauron 0/4 0/4
BigAppleBucky -1/13 +1/5 -2/8
Zeldar -1/51 +2/4 -1/3 -1/5 0/2 -2/6 +1/3 0/6 -1/5 +1/3 -1/5 +3/3 -2/6
justmeetee -2/1 -2/1
DMC -2/(6) -2/(6)
MadTheSwine -2/8 -1/1 -1/(7)
Death of Rats -2/26 -3/3 +1/5 -2/4 +3/5 +1/3 -2/(6)
dba Fred -2/44 +2/4 0/4 -3/5 -1/3 +1/7 0/2 +2/2 -2/6 +1/3 -2/(8) 30
Omar Little -3/2 -3/2
Some Call Me... Tim -3/3 -3/3
JohnT -3/17 0/4 -1/3 +1/5 -3/5
Oredigger77 -3/45 -1/3 0/4 0/4 +2/4 -1/5 0/4 -3/5 -2/2 +1/1 +3/3 0/4 -2/6
Zyanthia -3/49 +1/3 0/4 +1/5 -1/3 -3/5 +1/3 -2/6 +2/2 -1/3 +1/5 +2/4 -4/6
The Universe Lashes Out -4/6 -4/6
Ranger Jeff -6/1 -6/1
Procrustus (-6)/2 -2/1 (-4)1
Kitten Mitten -6/5 -6/5
Jackmannii -6/7 -3/1 -3/6 40
The Stainless Steel Rat-10/20 -1/3 -4/3 -2/3 -3/5 0/6
BobLibDem -21/75 -9/9 -1/9 -1/7 -4/4 +2/6 -2/8 +2/6 -4/4 -2/2 -1/5 +1/5 -2/10
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Total Voters: 42
Week 1 Voters: 25
Week 2 Voters: 18
Week 3 Voters: 19
Week 4 Voters: 18
Week 5 Voters: 20
Week 6 Voters: 15
Week 7 Voters: 14
Week 8 Voters: 12
Week 9 Voters: 13
Week10 Voters: 15
Week11 Voters: 15
Week12 Voters: 17
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