Week 5 NFL Discussion

I love Favre, and believe he is a fantastically talented quarterback even now, and I still heartily agree with this. Plus, it made me laugh so loud I scared the cats :smiley:

Farve: “I could throw a cat 300 yards! Just watch me!”

Chilly said that Favre had nothing to do with it, and wasn’t even initially in favor of it. This was the Wilfs.

Favre has not been the problem with the Purple offense. The problem is that he hasn’t had a viable deep threat (Berrian has just not been getting the job done, for whatever reason) and he’s had to either check down all the time or try to force things. I know a lot of people are desperate for Favre to fail, for some reason, but it isn’t going to happen. What do people have against him anyway?

You know what I hope? I hope Favre gets it going against the Jets on monday, hooks up with Moss a couple of times gets a few TD’s and then the ESPN crew starts going with a good old fashioned Brett Favre tongue bath. That would be awesome.

He’s an egotistical prick?

Is he really? People say that, but I haven’t really seen it. His teammates always seem to love him.

His fireman carry after td’s is designed to give a dose of pheromones out of his butt up the player’s nose.

Revis will be back for the Jets and Randy sometimes doesn’t try as hard against a great cover corner. However, his new uniform might inject a new attitude. That will be the most interesting match up of the day, for sure.

Am I the only one that considered it significant that all the guys the Vikings sent to lure Favre out of retirement were white?

Nah, I don’t think it’s that significant. They sent the guys with whom Favre had become closest on the team (including Longwell, who has been one of Favre’s buddies since he was a Packer).

I’d be willing to bet you that, on most NFL teams, the white players tend to socialize more with the white players, and the black players with the black players.

I think he was certainly well-liked by other Packers during most of his tenure there (though I’d bet that some of his teammates got tired of the retirement waffling). But, after his year with the Jets, there were some comments from some of the other players in New York that they didn’t much care for him.

I imagine that most of the Vikings realize that he makes them a better team, and that they’d rather have him there than not. But, I also wouldn’t be too surprised if there’s some resentment that he’s gotten such special treatment from the Vikes’ ownership and coaches (including being able to skip nearly all of the off-season and pre-season work for the past two seasons).

Longwell does make sense, but he’s only known the other two for a year, and Allen doesn’t even play on the same unit as Favre. They might as well have sent Toby Gerhardt.

The other two guys who went are also team leaders. Jared Allen is the functional leader of the Vikings defense, and emotional leader in general, and a guy who bonded with Favre just in general because they’re both rednecks.

Hutchinson’s one of Favre’s offensive linemen – many QBs get to be friends with the guys who watch their back. One of Favre’s closest friends in his early years with the Packers was his center, Frank Winters.

Allen comes across, to me, as a good ol’ boy; that may be how he and Favre bonded. :slight_smile: Beyond that, it also seems like Favre became friends with a number of defensive linemen who made their livings chasing him around (Strahan and Sapp, to name a couple).

Edit: reading Allen’s entry on Wikipedia, it’s noted that he’s an avid hunter, which would be another reason for him and Favre to get along.

Reports last year were that he spent a lot of time with Harvin and Rice too, and got especially close to Rice. I think Sidney might have gone on on the trip too if he hadn’t been trying to deal with his injury.

Okay, that makes sense - the hunting thing and the Rice injury thing. He did always seem to be close with Donald Driver.

The biggest benefactor of this trade aside from Moss is obviously going to be Adrian Peterson. He’s got to be chomping at the bit knowing that every secondary they face now will have to roll coverage over to Moss and/or won’t be stacking the box against him anymore.

And as a fantasy owner of both Peterson on one team and Favre on another (with Vick as my now-injured starter), I can say this works for me!

That’s ow it should work. However, there is also the chance that Favre gets enamoured with Moss and checks out of runs so he can try and get the ball to Moss. Not saying that is what will happen, but it could, knowing Favre’s personality.

Have a look at Peterson’s numbers from last year. Then have a look at his numbers from the previous year. Then tell me you’re happy that the Vikings will have a more effective passing game.

Look at the win-loss records for those years. That’s what matters. The attention payed to Adrian was what opened up the receivers last year. Now defenses are in a situation where they have two major homerun threats they have to worry about, arguably three with Harvin. They can still scheme to stuff the run first (which they never stopped doing last year), but now their risk of giving up big plays in the passing game just went up. Even if they can put 8 in the box and and still double Moss, that leaves Harvin, Schianco, Berrian and whoever else is on the field virtually undefended. Favre will throw to the tight end all day if they leave him open. defenses are not going to have a choice now but to take some heat off the run game. I think it does help Adrian (who’s already had the best three game start to a season of his career).

Exactly my point: the passing game goes back to being ineffective, and Peterson’s numbers immediately jump. Chilly won’t commit to running the ball as long as he can throw it, even with the best running back in the league.