Week 5 NFL Discussion

Way to go, Lions! Now my beloved Panthers are the zero team for the season :frowning:

Christ this is going to be a LONG season. I’m going to have to comfort myself with hopes that the S.C. Gamecocks will continue to play like they did yesterday when they beat 'Bama.

Great game with Tampa Bay and the Bengals, and in Washington.

It means they’re better at dancing around behind the line of scrimmage waiting for a hole. The blockers don’t hold their blocks very long in the zone blocking scheme, which is why they call it “one cut” rushing - the back has to pick his hole and go right away, because if he’s still in the backfield after the blockers release he’s going to be swarmed.

Yeah that was a great game. Packers should have been up by a lot more going into the half but the Skins D showed some life and the O made just enough plays to pull out the win (with a little help from the refs). Green Bay has a good team and frankly had Matthews stayed in the game no way Washington is able to make a comeback.

Why is Jason Campbell playing in the Raiders/Chargers game?

Man, what is up with San Diego special teams?

I hate to take anything away from Bills’ fans, but the Panthers are the WORST team in the NFL. It may not even be close.

The Dallas/Tenn game was quite the show. I was rooting for Tenn, but mostly because it is more fun for me if I have a team to root for.

yeah that rookie that did that huge kick return was something! If he stays healthy he’s got quite a career.

sigh :frowning:

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I think the Chargers got hosed on that last-minute fumble call. It seemed to me that Rivers’ arm was clearly going forward at the moment of contact.

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Hell, the ball went about 12 feet forward. The hit from the defender came from in front of Rivers, so the defender’s whole impact with Rivers was in right-to-left (on the screen) direction. For the ball to travel from left to right under these circumstances, the only force that could have propelled it in that direction is Rivers’ hand. The basic laws of physics suggest that Rivers’ arm must have been going forward at the moment of contact, because there is no other way for the ball to travel in a forward direction.

If the QB is hit from behind, then things are different. In such cases, it’s possible that the defender, coming around from behind the QB, contributes to the ball going in a forward direction, but that simply wasn’t the case here.

The ball could have gone forward because of his arm and still been a live fumble, though. The question isn’t whether his arm propelled the ball forward; it’s whether he lost possession of the ball before doing so. Maybe the ref thought he got stripped of the ball and then pushed his own fumble forward with an empty palm.

I don’t know. I’ve always struggled to understand why all these plays aren’t incomplete passes. They sure look like it to me.

Rivers himself could be moving forward, without his hand moving forward relative to his body.

Well, watch the video and judge for yourself. Given Rivers’ own body position, and the nature of the collision, i can’t see any explanation other than his arm going forward. And it sure looked to me like he was throwing it forward hen he got hit.

heh, couldn’t have happened to a better guy.

It did look like when his arm started going forward he still had the ball in his hand. You can hardly say your Chargers got hosed, though; Oakland was the better team.

Never heard an NFL stadium chanting anything quite as loudly as the 49ers fans are chanting “We want Carr!” right now.

As far as that goes… you get what you ask for, Niners fans.

I think mhendo is a Ravens fan.

Well, first, they’re not really my team. Since moving to San Diego, i have a general home-town affection for them, and i like to see them do well, but the Ravens are still my team, and i don’t live or die by Chargers results.

As for Oakland being the better team, i’d make two observations.

First, i’m not sure they were. The Chargers had an awful start, and the Raiders took an early 12-0 lead, but for the rest of the game, San Diego looked pretty good, and i don’t think Oakland looked especially impressive.

Second, the issue i’m dealing with here is not who was the better team for the rest of the match. The comment about getting hosed referred specifically to that one play, which happened while the Chargers were trying to work their way into position for what would have been a game-winning field goal. The fumble decision took that chance away, and gave the Raiders a TD and a virtually unassailable lead with under a minute to go. Who was the best team over the rest of the game is irrelevant to the quality and the impact of that call.

Can someone who watched the Giants game tell me how that one Hakeem Nicks catch wasn’t a TD? I know he scored two, but there was one that was called down at the half yard line where he clearly crossed inside the pylon.

Well, can’t say I’m all that upset with being 75% wrong.