Well, *hello* ladies--are you looking for someone to come along and make you feel like a REAL WOMAN?

[Sunspace]

@TriPolar

When I was a teenager I wanted a woman to make me feel like a real man.

I recall Pinocchio wanted to be a real boy.

There are some people out there who wish their lovers were real people.

There is surgery available for men who want to feel like a real woman.

There’s a thread in another forum about real estate.

Really?

[kushiel]

@TriPolar

When I was a teenager I wanted a woman to make me feel like a real man.

I recall Pinocchio wanted to be a real boy.

There are some people out there who wish their lovers were real people.

There is surgery available for men who want to feel like a real woman.

There’s a thread in another forum about real estate.

And for everything else, there’s Mastercard!

[Dogzilla]

@kushiel

And for everything else, there’s Mastercard!

For the win!

[WordMan]

How is this not the female version of the Madonna/Whore complex typically attributed to men? Just like men supposedly want a perfect wife and mother to their children who is a Dirty Girl™ in bed, couldn’t it be said that women want someone who listens to them, is funny and a good provider, and who can ride them like a bad pony in the sack? When I take the time to dip into a related thread in IMHO, most women Dopers say they like a bit of the animal in some form or fashion, right?

Both the men’s and women’s versions play up to the same stereotypes and conventions.

So - if it is the Madonna/Whore Complex for men, what is it for women?
The Seinfeld/Banderas complex?

[YogSothoth]

I’ve had an ex who was like this. She was quite the tomboy, preferring t-shirts and jeans to dresses and skirts. Didn’t use a lot of makeup (didn’t need it either ), worked out, very outdoorsy, hated romantic comedies, and played video games.

She confessed to me though that during sex, she really liked being tied up and made to feel helpless. When I asked her why, not that I was complaining, she said that it made her feel like a real woman, she couldn’t explain it other than it made her feel good to have to depend on someone rather than independent.

She certainly wasn’t into it all the time, she never hesitated to initiate anything, but she liked that feeling of helplessness, the more the better. She was into doing things roughly and wanted me to smack her around a bit. I think that, compared to how she was typically, letting others make a real woman out of you is a way to be able to ditch the responsibilities for a while and just let life happen to you instead of always being in charge. Yes, she gets a charge out of being in control, but many times its too mentally taxing to have to be the one to decide stuff all the time, even I feel that too. So its a relief to just lay back and let things happen for a while

Either that or she was just a freak

[Koxinga]

@YogSosoth

She certainly wasn’t into it all the time, she never hesitated to initiate anything, but she liked that feeling of helplessness, the more the better. She was into doing things roughly and wanted me to smack her around a bit. I think that, compared to how she was typically, letting others make a real woman out of you is a way to be able to ditch the responsibilities for a while and just let life happen to you instead of always being in charge. Yes, she gets a charge out of being in control, but many times its too mentally taxing to have to be the one to decide stuff all the time, even I feel that too. So its a relief to just lay back and let things happen for a while

Either that or she was just a freak

Sounds like a win either way!

[elfkin477]

@Koxinga

I don’t remember ever hearing, even in parody, a guy portrayed as wishing a woman would come along and make him feel like a real man.

That’s because women don’t make real men. Kicking someone’s ass makes a guy a real man. Or so TV and movies tell me.

Anyway…

I don’t need a man to make me feel like a real woman.

I don’t need a man to make me feel complete.

But I would like a man who makes me feel settled and done looking for the right person to put up with my crap. Hopefully it’ll be a mutual feeling.

[Anaamika]

@WordMan

So - if it is the Madonna/Whore Complex for men, what is it for women?
The Seinfeld/Banderas complex?

“Dates Vinny for five years, marries Irv - he’s a good provider.” - Rodney Dangerfield.

[David42]

@Koxinga

Are you?

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If so, my question is why? And what does that mean? I see it in parodies of romantic fiction and stuff like that, and in first-person, supposedly true, erotic tales: “for the first time, I felt like a real woman;” "now I understood what it meant to be a woman, " etc.

Is this just misogynist porno BS originating from the male power structure? Or is it something you conceivably ever picture yourself thinking? I don’t remember ever hearing, even in parody, a guy portrayed as wishing a woman would come along and make him feel like a real man. Is there some fundamental difference in the genders involved there?

Oh, and BTW,

Here. Iron this.

Please don’t hurt me.

“Will some woman in this desert land/make me feel like a real man/take this rock and roll refugee/Ooh, babe, set me free”

Pink Floyd, Young Lust from the LP The Wall.

[David42]

@alice_in_wonderland

There’s a scene in The Full Monty that pretty well totally disproves this.

I do not remember where I heard this, and I think it is in Europe where it was done, but female urinals have been installed in women’s bathrooms before. The front of the urinal extends outwards in a narrow tray and the women would straddle it to relieve themselves. Doesn’t work well for women in pants. I think this was back in the early days of women’s lib.

[Antigen]

Aunt Flo comes along about once a month and damn do I feel like a “Real Woman” for a few days. A Real Woman who wants Advil and chocolate and for you to please kindly fuck off. (Not you, just the hypothetical, metaphorical, imaginary you)

[Jenaroph]

@David42

“Will some woman in this desert land/make me feel like a real man/take this rock and roll refugee/Ooh, babe, set me free”

Pink Floyd, Young Lust from the LP The Wall.

Ahem.

@cuauhtemoc

Hmm.

The song Young Lust:

That’s just one example. I’m absolutely certain there are many, many others.

@Inigo_Montoya

First thing that popped into my head.

Also, Ooh La la by the Faces.

They come on strong and it ain’t too long
'fore they make you feel a man
but love is blind and you soon will find
you’re just a boy again

I find it interesting that the phrase does cross gender lines, and in both cases it seems to refer almost exclusively to “having great/awesome/fulfilling sex.” I never really thought about it before.

[David42]

@Jenaroph

Ahem.

I figured the actual quote should be said so that anyone unfamiliar with Pink Floyd would see exactly what we mean.

[Duke]

@TriPolar

When I was a teenager I wanted a woman to make me feel like a real man.

I recall Pinocchio wanted to be a real boy.

There are some people out there who wish their lovers were real people.

There is surgery available for men who want to feel like a real woman.

There’s a thread in another forum about real estate.

There’s a soccer team called Real Madrid.

[ZipperJJ]

@Antigen

Aunt Flo comes along about once a month and damn do I feel like a “Real Woman” for a few days. A Real Woman who wants Advil and chocolate and for you to please kindly fuck off. (Not you, just the hypothetical, metaphorical, imaginary you)

No, they can fuck off too.

[Pyper]

@Duke

There’s a soccer team called Real Madrid.

Ahem, not sure if I’m being whooshed or not, but Real Madrid = Royal Madrid. “Ray-al,” not “real.”

[Jenaroph]

@David42

I figured the actual quote should be said so that anyone unfamiliar with Pink Floyd would see exactly what we mean.

If you scroll up and look at cuauhtemoc’s post, he does quote it. The quote function didn’t include it and I didn’t bother to copy it.

[David42]

@Jenaroph

If you scroll up and look at cuauhtemoc’s post, he does quote it. The quote function didn’t include it and I didn’t bother to copy it.

yeah I know.

I hereby triple-scout’s honor pledge to more carefully read threads before posting.