You and me both, Lib.
Speaking purely it terms of aesthetics, that would indeed be an excellent title for a Pit thread.
Ducky, I defended you because the attack was unwarranted and because you deserved it. And I agree with you that if any of the Staff were having problems with the “junior modding,” email would have been a better remedy than semi-officially joining the free-for-all. Having said that, I think it’s time to move on. They’ve clarified what’s appropriate and what isn’t, it makes good sense to me, and that’s that. To the extent they hadn’t clarified or spoken to you earlier, well, there you go.
Lib, whatever it was that DDG said, and whenever it was that happened, it seems less than fair to bring it up now without providing her with the specific details that would enable her to understand what you are talking about and defend herself as she finds appropriate. Heck, I have no idea what you’re referring to, and it doesn’t seem that she does either. A little less obliqueness would be in order if you’re going to pursue that line of inquiry, I think.
However, given that whatever it was appears to have hurt you deeply–as indeed DDG appears to have been hurt deeply by what was said to her in recent days–may I meekly suggest that you guys try to work it out off-board? There’s been enough unpleasantness around here lately, and I don’t think either of you really need to have spectators commenting on your wounds.
OMG, I’m about to agree with Libertarian. This reminds me a bit about the time handy agreed with three of my posts in a row, leaving me wondering what I was doing wrong.
Coldfire, I’m glad I got the summary right. I just realized how ironic it would have been if I had gotten an explanation of the anti-Jr. Modding rule wrong. I’m about to defend you some more, don’t let it go to your head.
He, nicely, pointed out that you can cause problems from staff with Jr. Modding activities. You demanded cites. He provided two cites within a half-day of the request for them, explaining that he got them by looking for threads that both of you had posted in. You then insisted that it must be a personal vandetta, because both of the cites involved him (ignoring for a moment that he specifically said that he looked for instances where he had to correct you). You asked for other mods/admins to deny that it was a personal thing between him and you.
So Lynn chimes in with full support of his position. You make two demands of proof, both are met fully. Most reasonable people then go “Oh. I guess I was wrong.” But what did you do? You did a max-length post on how poorly Coldie treated you, and a demand for more cites about your behavior. At which point he said that there wouldn’t be more cites.
I can’t blame him, as it’s fairly obvious to me that he could continue providing cites forever, and none of them would ever be enough for you.
But what do I know, I’m not one of you rabid supporters or hated detractors, I’m just trying to be the Voice Of Reason in my posts, so of course you’re ignoring them.
-lv
colour me fucking shocked magenta that someone who evidently has a quick mind and smart persona really can’t tell the difference between the constructive criticism and the petty attacks.
whats the purpose of this thread? I hope it has been of some cathartic benefit to you, I really hope so, but the only thing you’ve succeeded in doing in your follow up posts is prove that you cannot accept any sort of criticism.
If you’re happy to have the plaudits afforded to you by a community, you at least have to try to understand the dissenters.
You seem unable to do that.
never mind DDG, slip the rose coloured glasses back on and continue on with your posting.
Sincerest best wishes,
Twist.
Minty
I’m not sure what iron you think you have in this fire, and I appreciate your advice, but the only reason I mentioned the incident at all was so that the advice that I gave her would not be devoid of context. You might not have seen the advice. It wasn’t quoted because it would not have supported a charge of slamming. But it was in the original post. Way back on page 1. One of the first responses in the thread.
I know, isn’t it perfect? It’s really too bad she never pissed me off.
I have no iron in the fire, Lib. I merely wish to avoid another explosion.
Don’t worry, Minty. I won’t explode. I was depressed, not angry.
Fair enough, Lib. The charge alone was pretty explosive, so I hope you understand my caution.
Minty
The charge? No, sorry. I don’t get it.
I’m not charging her with anything. There is no rule or law she violated. In fact, I didn’t say that she drove me away. I said that she was the reason I left the board. I left because of her. That is a mere fact. I even told her that I bet she was surprised to hear it, indicating that I didn’t think she acted intentionally to drive me away. I told her I’d like to see her stay around, and gave her some advice. The advice was metaphorical, talking about coffee cups and whatnot, because her post was metaphorical in the same way. I wished upon her God’s blessings, and I told her that my heart ached for her.
If you knew all this, then your comments are not appropriate in my opinion. If you didn’t, then you should have read the post first.
DDG I read through your first post and the story about the commune, and I was going “uh-huh, uh-huh, I see where this is going.”
But then it didn’t get there.
I thought you were going to conclude with “so I see that, with all good intention, I step into roles that really aren’t mine, and apparently this annoys some people. I’m really pissed off that this all came out at once in that train wreck of a thread, but I now understand where y’all are coming from.”
But instead, you went back to “I really don’t act like that, Coldfire, and I defy you to prove that I do.”
DDG, your own story demonstrates that you do, both on these boards and IRL. It doesn’t bother me - I’ve lived with such a personality all my life (in this way you be my big sister), and quite frankly, I’m not sure it’s really an issue, particularly one worth all this fuss.
But I think you have to accept that this is a part of your personality, and you have to decide whether you want to try to change it or not. I don’t think you should continue to deny it.
Sua
The only problem with this good advice minty is that neither party has published an e-mail address.
I really don’t want to stir things that have settled, honestly, but something’s been nagging at me since I read the OP. I have read every word of both threads, and I thought I didn’t have a side to be on (I’m just a mere lurker on big deal stuff. I only post unimportant drivel). Valid points were made and a lot of crap was thrown in as well.
However, I can’t seem to get this out of my mind:
The implication here is just sad. DDG if you really think this place is a free-for-all pigsty of sorts, and if you didn’t pick up the cups NOBODY would, then I understand the comments made about your sanctimonious attitude.
Anyway, THAT, after all this text I’ve been reading about you, is now the strongest impression I’m left with. Hope that’s okay with you (I’m sure you don’t care).
I’m stilled shocked to find out that DDG is hanging around hippie communes.
I think DDG should just let the ‘coffee cups’ lie where they fall and let the slobs clean up after themselves.
You mean there is really no hippie coffee house in decatur?
It’s the way they shake and sway, Spit.
Oh, for Cecil’s sake. DDG and Lib, my email address is published. If the two of you both wish to resolve this privately instead of publicly, email me and I’ll either act as a semi-anonymous remailer or pass on your addresses to each other, whichever you request.
Wow!
You get two gold stars for that!
You mean this?
Lib, with all due respect, if someone told me that, I’d sure be upset, and I’d want to know what I’d said that caused such a major consequence.
I think that’s the point minty is making here.
The emotional difference between hearing “you drove me away from the boards” and “I left the boards for several months in a state of deep depression because of something you said” is pretty inconsequential.
I don’t think the whole board needs to know what this is about, but you really might consider asking one of the mods to forward your email address to DDG in case she wants to know more.
FWIW, I’ve read all the threads involved as they unfolded. I tend to be in agreement with Scotticher’s A Plea For Tolerance and Understanding. The only problem I’ve ever had with DDG is with her tendency to provide answers before I can. Damn annoying, that. I certainly hope she continues posting here.
Maybe because I’ve not been actively involved in the other threads, I read Libertarian’s post on page 1 in a different light than some others. I think some people have skipped over the most important part of his post:
I don’t think Libertarian was trying to dig up the past to get a backhanded slam in at DDG. I took it as an example that he understood what she is going through since he had gone through a similar experience. I also read into it a subtle reference to the importance of forgiveness and letting things go.