West Wing 1/8

The obvious; it was sad seeing John Spencer so prominently featured in this episode. I assume at this point they’ll have to have Leo McCarry die at some point in the series; they’ve put him into too prominent a role to just disappear as other characters have. With such as the case, there were a number of scenes that seem strangely foreshadowing - especially Josh worrying about putting Leo into the campaign.

The two other plotlines are interesting. The Kate and Will romance surprised me but the two actors are handling it well (probably glad they’re getting lines). And they seem to be positioning Teri Polo towards having a more active role on the show, which is a good thing.

I gave up on this show shortly after CJ was made Chief of Staff :rolleyes: but I did have a morbid fascination to see how they would handle it. I guess they had a few shows already done before Christmas, and this gives the writers more time to come up with a storyline, rather than reshoot everything. The tribute by Martin Sheen was quite touching.

I guess Bingo Bob didn’t get the nomination? Why is Toby indicted? Are Will and Donna working on the Santos campaign? (I’m just asking out of curiousity, I doubt I’ll start watching the show again.)

I kinda caught my breath for a second when the moderator asked Leo about his health. :frowning:

The scenes with Will and Kate were great.

I thought that having something at the very end of this episode saying that Leo had died in his hotel room would have fit. Everyone who follows the show knows that John Spencer is gone, and even if they had reshot a new ending, it could have worked. I did think that having him leak the results of the test debates to the blogger to lower expectations was a classic Leo touch, although unexpected.

I’m looking forward to the next episode. I’ve never liked Barlet’s son-in-law (not the new one - we just met him), and I can’t wait to see CJ hand him his ass.

Wow, that’s a lot of ground to cover.

It was a big story arc at the beginning of the seaon that the VP lost in the primaries to Santos. The Democratic convention had turned into a circus by the second night, with four people running for the nomination - Santos, Bob, former Vice President Otter, and Al Bundy, the governor from Pennsylvania.

Toby is under indictment because he leaked information to the press about a top-secret military space shuttle. Barlet immediately fired him when he confessed, which he did because it looked like the Justice Department was going to target CJ as the source of the leak. (Personally, I’m still not convinced that this is all there is to this story. Toby had some pretty strong things to say against leaking info to the press in an episode early in the show’s run.)

Will is the new Press Secretary (Toby was doing it, but can’t for obvious reasons.) CJ basically pulled him out of the VP’s office when Toby left. He was in way over his head the first couple of times he did it, but is getting better as time goes by. And Annabeth (the Tiny press secretary) is the media advisor to Leo in the campaign, so she can’t do it. Oh, and she pretty much told Leo earlier this season that she was in love with him. I wonder how she’s going to handle his death.

Donna is working on the Santos campaign, over Josh’s initial objections. She applied for the job as Josh’s deputy one episode, and he showed her the door after pretty much saying he wishes she was there every single day, but couldn’t hire her because of the stuff she said about Santos to the press during the primary campaigns (in her roll as a spokeman for the VP.) Lou (Janeane G’s character hired her as a spokesman for one issue shortly after that, and she’s been there ever since with increased responsibility.)

Oh, and Barlet’s middle daughter Ellie got married. To a guy she works with. It was pretty much a shotgun wedding, but it took place in the White House.

And while this new season isn’t classic Sorkin-era stories and writing, I still think they’re doing quite a good job at it. You might want to start watching again. We’ll help you catch up if you want.

What exactly was the content of the scandalous photo of Helen Santos?
They mentioned something about underwear and something about a tattoo, but I still didn’t get the full gist.

It was a shot of her bending down on her lawn when Santos got home. Her shirt rode up, and you could see her tattoo just above her butt and that she was wearing a thong.
(Mmmmm, Teri Polo whale tail.)

What tribute by Martin Sheen? I didn’t see anything of that sort, although if it was in the first 45 seconds of the episode, my DVR might have cut it off…

You missed it. Sheen came on, announced that John Spencer had died, and that they felt that showing the last few months of his work would be the best memorial, as well as a few other nice words.

It was a nice touch, but also a necessary element if they were going to show this episode, since Leo flatly talked about his heart condition and how lucky he was to still be alive. That was a bit weird.

Yeah that part was totally spooky.

I liked the rest of the episode. Leo’s debate jitters and his response to them was a very amusing story line.

I’m going to miss John Spencer. :frowning:

The one thing that bugged me was the whole Santos’s wife complaints about being in the spotlight. I mean her husband’s a congressman. If she didn’t want him running for another public office she should have just said so in the first place. Getting upset after the fact seemed petty to me.

Unfortunately, you left right around the time the series was hitting the bottom. The quality of the show has revived with the presidential campaign and new characters being brought in. And this season’s episode where Toby was fired was one of the best ever in the series.

I can’t get past the fact that Leo named CJ instead of his own freaking deputy, AKA Josh to be Chief of Staff. Talk about a slap in the face. CJ was not qualified, and there was that stupid PBS documentary where they mentioned CJ had been press secretary for all eight years of the Bartlet administration.

Continuity is all, folks. Not having it is enough to pull me right out of the show as I scream “That’s not right!”

Just call me Annie Wilkes. :smiley:

ivylass, did Leo ever give a reason why he chose C.J. over Josh (I missed that episode)?

What a sad, sad thing to admit to. I truly feel sorry for you.

Leo picked CJ because he knew Josh didn’t have the temperment to handle it. CJ would not be flustered by crises; Josh was apt to make things worse.

Within the show I don’t know that it’s explicitly stated why. However realistically the reason is that they’d already thought out the uncoming arc in which Josh becomes the head of the Santos campaign. It was a compromise they had to make in order to strengthen the overall storyline.

And we’ve knocked this around in the weekly threads several times. It’s pretty much split between what Chuck thinking it was a good choice, and the other half saying Josh should have been given the chance to do that job anyway.

Thank you, all.

Follow-up question: How did Josh take it?

I liked it when Leo said “there are not enough helium ballons in the world” to sound like Annabeth. Also, there seems to be hints of Santos’ brother becoming a problem.

I guess I’m glad I missed the Sheen intro. I got to enjoy the show as it was written, without any idea Spencer was dead. Now I can be spooked in retrospect.

Yeah, I missed the news that Spencer died. So sue me.

And continuity is **not ** all.

You’re right. I forgot to mention that. My guess is that Jorge Santos is going to become a Billy Carter/Roger Clinton figure if his brother gets elected.

Considering the amount of effort the writers are devoting to added characters and potential plotlines to the Santos group with no similar effort being devoted to the Vinnick group, it’s looking increasingly unlikely a party change is being planned in the upcoming West Wing elections.