I know.
I like Toby. I like Andy. I liked watching him try and win her back. I wanted it to work.
Any thoughts to how Abby’s going to react?
Oh, poor Charlie…he’s going to go insane. I predict a punching in the nose scene with Prince Smarming.
I loved the President’s “kill the boyfriend” comment.
Between TWW and Angel, Wednesday’s become a damn fine evening for television.
I thought this was one of the best episodes of the season. I did figure out that Zoey was going to be the one kidnapped but I was still on the edge of my seat for the last 10 miunutes of the episode.
I didn’t get the downpours in Portland either.
Charlie punching Prince Smarming would be great!!
Ha!! I nominate this as his official SDMB title.
A hearty second for Turek’s nomination!
I felt terrible for Toby, my God. In the West Wing Personality Quiz I came out as Toby, so the similarities enabled me to vicariously experience the extreme sting of Andy’s words. Having heard her opinion of him, I have to say that, twins or no twins, she may not be the woman for him. Being sad and angry are part of his basic nature, though I think his capacity for joy is greater than she gives him credit for; also, let it be said that she just contributed enormously to his Sad/Angry Quotient. Good job, Andy. Poor Toby.
Also, can I say that Amy annoys the crap out of me? She’s obsessing on ONE WORD that she said to Josh, and since she can’t bother Josh, she badgers Donna throughout the day until Donna loses her temper, and then Amy asks a totally inappropriate question. If I were Donna, I’d tell Amy to go fuck herself, but that’s just me. Oh, and Donna’s right-- Amy doesn’t get Josh and she never has. She’s obviously jealous that Donna does.
As for Prince Smarming… was he really in on this plot? Or was it a coincidence? I find this question very intriguing. I hope he wasn’t in on it but that Bartlet and Charlie find out he drugged Zoey (via the drink glass she left behind?) and grind his ass to dust.
The deluge in Portland… wasn’t that just about the missing container, coinciding with the disappearance of a Bahia cell? Or am I way off?
Question - now that Sorkin’s leaving, who on earth do they think is going to write this show? Because, as much as I like the characters, they’re secondary. I love his words. (I’ve watched a Tom Cruise movie multiple times (and will watch it over and over again) because of his words and I hate hate hate Tom Cruise).
Plus, none of the guest writers have even come close to doing half as well…
Anyone else scared of next season?
I guess that’s one conceivable purpose for part of the conversation. I remain unconvinced that it was necessary; if that reminder needs to happen, it coulda been done elsewhere. Most importantly, the Donna Loves Joshy bit was terrible, and doesn’t remind us of anything other than how much the show’s at risk of going into the crapper next year.
A contradiction in terms, no? 
I thought I saw that too! I was surprised that they let that go to air… maybe it was an unintentional movement as he shifted the towel around on his hand.
I love Charlie, always have. Like Zoey said, he’s such a good guy.
And I also don’t want Donna and Josh togehter. Someone here said they have a history - as in they dated or messed around or something? All I remember is how Josh came thru whatever town Donna was living in with the Prez during a campaign run and she basically forced herself upon him as an assistant. I recall her saying she was just out of a bad relationship (divorce? break up with finance?) and she needed to get out of that town and start over and she knew she could do the job. Can anyone remind me of what their history together was, other than this?
They don’t have a history together, in that they’ve never dated/fooled around/whatever. The only history they have is working together, and the sexual/romantic tension that’s always surrounded them. Donna has almost from the beginning had more than boss-employee feelings for Josh. Josh, while ostensibly being driven crazy by Donna’s Donna-ness, is quite fond of her and possibly attracted to her.
I think WW has it’s own group of “shippers” that feels “romantic tension = they must get together.”
Can you expand on this because I’m not seeing how Josh would blame himself.
I was thinking Charlie would blame himself because Zoey wanted to just stay there with him and he basically said she should go to her own party.
I think John Wells has a thing about the evils of cool electronica – first the “Carter and Lucy get stabbed” tune from that ER season finale a while back, and now his attempts to negatively condition us against Massive Attack… 
Again with the cluelessness, but it was only in the last few days that I heard that Sorkin is essentially the sole writer for West Wing. I knew he was an important influence on the show, but I had no idea how central he was.
I don’t know. I find the plotting and character development in some tampon commercials to be excellent.
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This thread is the first (only) place I heard about Sorkin leaving the writing to someone else. I doubt that anyone can carry on next season with out self-consciously copying Sorkin’s style, and that style is what has made this show for me. I think Aaron Sorkin is the best writer on television. His grasp of history, politics and human relationships is astonishing.
I’ll give the show a try next season, but I won’t be surprised if my interest flags. The cast is excellent, some of the strongest actors in the business. But the best actors can’t save a bad script. The words are everything.