What I’m saying is that there wouldn’t be a war - as in, there can’t be a war. Red America, as an organization that is capable of declaring and making war, doesn’t exist. What you’re calling “Red America” is actually a bunch of dudes who are well equipped to hold off small numbers of poorly-equipped civilian attackers who come to them and attack them on their home ground, but who aren’t even slightly capable of mustering a significant military attack on a distant location.
(Note that I’m assuming that they don’t have the US military on their side - and that they’re not raiding equipment from US military bases, since that definitely wouldn’t get the US military on their side.)
There’s far too much stereotyping going here. Cities aren’t all-blue fortresses (and rural areas aren’t all red either). 22.5% of Los Angeles County voted for President Trump. 22% of NYC voted for President Trump. Think about that for a minute: that’s one out of every four or five people. They wouldn’t have to worry about yokels from the Central Valley or upstate coming in and raiding them, they’d have to worry about the neighbor down the street, or the neighborhood on the other side of the tracks.
Oil refineries, ammunition factories, power plants, logistics centers. All either urban/suburban, or require parts and technical expertise that are mostly from urban - especially any parts or raw materials from overseas. No farm equipment, no working transport infrastructure, no weapons once all ammo used up, no electricity, no phone service, no email.
I don’t think we’d be at risk no matter how many newly-created Amish rebelled.
Plus it might be expensive to pay USPS or UPS to ship foodstuffs into cities by air & sea, but it is possible (probably require rationing tho)
There are many billions of rounds of small-arms ammunition squirreled away in private hands in America. I don’t think waiting for “once all ammo used up” is a viable strategy.
I was making the hypothetical division as a blue state/red state sort of thing. However, if all the DJT voters are going to migrate and group-up against the HRC voters, then I’ll admit I need more research/thought put into my answer.
I don’t see them breaking from the US government, which means that you end up with the US government either declaring literal war on the farmlands, or declaring literal war on the cities (presumably excluding DC).
While I wouldn’t be surprised to hear about a Trump Tweet ordering such an action, I have a hard to believing that nobody underneath him would kibosh the idea of carpet-bombing non-aggressive American civilians - be they rural or urban. Regardless of the political affiliation of the soldiers in question.
I do have to concede that if they somehow managed to miraculously plan and coordinate it without anybody catching wind and cutting it off at the knees, if everyone with a slightly conservative bent secretly loaded up their guns and then simultaneously went out and slaughtered every non-conservative man woman and child they could find, it would be less “what advantages would Blue America have” and more “oh my god, the horror, the horror.”
I’d be hesitant to call that a war, though - it’d be over in hours.
The technology to preserve and store food past harvest and to grow another another harvest the next year for virtually everyone in the United States is blue state dependent. Cities can quickly acquire and preserve vast supplies of food and other supplies needed to maintain something near our current living standards. Rural areas descend into 19th century levels fast when there’s a war. I saw that happen in the former Yugoslavia. No matter how much red staters wax nostalgic over their pioneer ancestors they don’t want to live like them. The first week without stable insulin supplies and red state citizens would be begging to be refugees in the blue areas.
They make the extrapolation that because a particular state is in the so-called blue colum that every dollar or unit of production is therefore a “blue” dollar or unit of production. If the unit being summed were /individual instead of /colorstate the conclusion would be different.
I’m thinking that if the army gets involved in any capacity then everything else becomes instantly irrelevant. Fantasies aside rural folk wouldn’t last ten minutes against a serious military attack (which probably would be death from above rather than something they can shoot back at), and cities are basically large stationary targets if one is in the ‘reduce it to rubble and don’t worry about the war crimes’ mood. Things get a bit interesting if you split the army and set it against itself, but one side or the other will win soon enough and everybody else will go back to being irrelevant again.
Well, let’s stop right here: None of this makes a lick of sense.
Gun experience: The number of soldiers available to either side is what it is, and given the nature of modern warfare, that’s what you’re going to get. The war would be just unbelievably bloody even if you avoided the use of nuclear weapons, and would probably end quickly.
If my some miracle it DIDN’T end quickly, new recruits would be taught to use rifles. It really does not take very long to learn to effectively use an M-4. Previous experience with your hunting rifle or Glock isn’t an advantage, you still have to do boot camp.
There is rather a lot of food available to the blue states, and food can simply be bought from overseas. Again, the war would end quickly, anyway.
The extent to which red states are better at farming is - well, it’s a silly idea. The most agriculturally productive state in the Union is California. Minnesota and Illinois are in the top ten and I don’t see the red staters holding Wisconsin for long. New York has farms. I mean, come on.
What would really happen is the vast majority of people will say ‘ok that is enough’ and lock up the red gun nuts that equate their guns with their genitals. Everyone will be sick of the Republican behavior that is sickening in how it betrays this country thru bad policy and outright treason with foreign powers.
The military will ‘side’ with the rule of law and rather than massacre grandma will assist in rounding up the yahoos who honestly want a race war and violence rather than take a loss on their partisan politics.
Within a couple weeks the jails will be filled up and life will return to normal with a lot of Trump nuts out of the way.
Cities mean concentrated resources in a place that’s easier to defend than the countryside around them. Cities have the infrastructure to organize quickly and populations that are at least used to the idea of working together to survive. Not to mention usually stockpiles of medicine and emergency gear. Look at how long places like Vukovar and Sarajevo held on vs. the countryside around them. Red Dawn and Rambo were not realistic. I’ve seen farmers with AK-47s go up against tanks. It’s not pretty.