What are the benefits to Global Climate Change?

What I responded to was to what you posted: “we’d collectively be best served trying to anticipate the change and plan for and deal with the consequences then to spin our wheels dreaming about large shifts in our CO2 footprint that seem unlikely to happen.”

That indeed sounds like we should not try as it is a “dream”.

Besides that, now it is my turn to point out that I’m also not saying something with much of a difference too, the point here is that there are many people in power that are not dealing with that change either. Shifts will indeed not happen and they will be more unlikely if we let them continue to prevent change.

I agree…
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What I responded to was to what you posted: “we’d collectively be best served trying to anticipate the change and plan for and deal with the consequences then to spin our wheels dreaming about large shifts in our CO2 footprint that seem unlikely to happen.”
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Why only respond to half of that sentence, let alone to the rest of my post there though??

But that’s not what I actually said, nor the overall thrust of my point there. I never said we shouldn’t continue our efforts at a stronger energy policy, nor stop our efforts for alternative technology…merely that it IS a dream to think that any of this is going to happen rapidly, unless you mean in the next 2 to 3 (or more) decades. It’s going to be that long before we really turn the corner, IMHO, at the current rates of change…especially since I doubt we are going to see a large revival of nuclear in the US (or any revival at all), and longer still for market forces to really start making hybrid or AEV technology a major contender for market share in the US. There are literally hundreds of millions of ICE vehicles on American roads, and it’s going to take a long time for that to shift significantly…and in the mean time, millions of new ICE vehicles are not only going on our roads each year but on roads in China and India (and Europe for that matter), and it’s going to take time for that to change significantly. On the positive side though, mileage and emissions are improving, and the older vehicles are slowly being replaced by newer, more fuel efficient and cleaner ICE vehicles…and the new stuff in China and India are better than the older vehicles in the US, so that’s something.

I think we ARE changing, and those in power are being slowly shifted by that change…but, again, it’s going to take time. Years, decades. Obama has a chance to craft a policy right now that will make significant changes…if he doesn’t try and do too much too soon and get a ton of additional push back (well, ok…he’s going to get pushback if he tries to say that the sky is blue). I think the public is ready for some realistic change and tightening of our energy policy…but not to the extent that is going to make any immediate or large scale change TODAY. Or tomorrow or next year…or 10 years from now. The public isn’t ready for it, not just in the US but in any of the 1st world nations, at least not IMHO. and if the public isn’t ready, you can be certain the politicians aren’t, since it’s the public who elect those guys.

Not sure that it was an informed public though.

As the latest Frontline expose, Climate of Doubt showed,

It is clear that most of the ones elected that are against change were funded and helped to be elected by the same groups that have an interest in denying that that change is taking place.

Most of the media has (liberal media my hiney!) not reported much on the issue, however most polls show that most Americans are concerned about this, and it seems to me that many more Republicans (virtually all the ones that deny this issue in congress are) would had gone to defeat in the past elections if the people had been aware of how crazy their representatives are on this issue, just as what happened when people found out how cuckoo several of them were regarding rape and pregnancy, virtually all of the rape guys were defeated.

Our job IMHO is to keep vigilance on what the current House will do and press them hard if they do not do the right thing.

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It is clear that most of the ones elected that are against change were funded by the same groups that have an interest in denying that that change is taking place.
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Sure, and as the public becomes better informed, and as things like this latest perfect storm that hit the east coast causes the public to consider more, that’s going to shift…to a certain extent. However, again, that’s only going to go so far, even with a public fully on board, because we are talking about those 100’s of millions of cars and addiction to electricity, much of which is going to remain mainly produced by some sort of fossil fuel system for the foreseeable future. Nuclear is pretty much a dead issue, and wind and solar are decades away from being significant contributors…if then.

I agree, informing the public IS a major step, and I think that’s happening and should continue to be pushed. I think new energy policies should be pushed, as well as every increasing bars for fuel efficiency in our vehicles…but you are only going to be able to push those things so far and so fast, and in the end we are going to have to deal with the climate change that’s already happening and is going to continue to happen as more heat energy is input into our global system.

Anyway, I know the OP wants to focus on the positives, but from where I’m sitting there aren’t a hell of a lot of those…certainly, the balance seems to be negatives from a global perspective. But, negative or positive, we are going to have to deal with this for the rest of the life times of every poster on this board…certainly, for the rest of my own, and I plan to live another hundred years or so with the new medical technology I’m convinced is right around the corner. :wink:

Tourist will no longer ruin Venice.

Lots of new seaside real estate opportunities will open up far inland.

Sales of sweatbands and neck kerchiefs will skyrocket.

Waterworld will go from looking like a joke to being hailed as a prophetic masterpiece. But this will really only benefit Kevin Costner.

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Waterworld will go from looking like a joke to being hailed as a prophetic masterpiece. But this will really only benefit Kevin Costner.
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Even if you got God involved somehow with the magical waters from the deep it’s never going to make that dog look either prophetic OR a masterpiece. :stuck_out_tongue:

And Minnesota, North Dakota, Montana as well :slight_smile:

Speaking of benefits, my hardy banana plant got 12 feet tall this year.

And if we get a decent storm, it’ll be surf’s up at Buckeye Lake.