Wrong. Sorry I always wear a hat. It has become my trade mark. Had a friend find me in a ball park because he spotted my hat. It is a black cowboy hat. And I do take it of at home inside.
Yes it is fun tipping my had to people.
Shouldn’t it already be off, since you are indoors (assuming you are indoors)?
Wow, how cool that you have a ‘trademark’. :rolleyes:
Reminds me of this observation: “You know who wears sunglasses indoors? Blind people and assholes.”
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Shouldn’t it already be off, since you are indoors (assuming you are indoors)?
Nope. An elevatator, like a shopping mall, is aking to a public street for these purposes.
There’s a scence in Some Like It Hot (set in the 1920s, made in the 1950s) in which several hoodlums - including the very dapper “Spats” - are in an elevator, wearing their hats. Tony Curtis and Jack Lemmon, both in drag, step into the elevator, whereupon the hoodlums remove their hats, because there are (supposed) ladies present.
Nothing is made of this in the movie - except that it shows that the hoodlums have failed to recognise Curtis and Lemmon, whom they wish to find and kill. But the gesture simply reflects conventional ettiquette in this regard in the 1920s - and, I imagine, in the 1950s.
Rules for men removing their hats? There should be a section in any etiquette book, along with the rules for women wearing gloves, white frocks after Labor Day, and fur stoles. … I JUST barely remember the days when men wore hats, and now I have only old black and white Men Wearing Hats movies when I want to reminisce…there they are, marching along the streets all suited up, on their way to their jobs at, say, the umbrella factory, to offices with glass doors (with their names painted on them), working overtime on the Anderson account…
This is off-topic, but one of my favorite memories was my first time encountering a Hasidic Jew on a city street.
To be fair, I had never seen one before. So I’m sure I was looking stupid, mouth agape.
He noticed my stare and did a very smooth tip of his hat. I still grin thinking about it. Good for him. That little gesture was fourteen-times classy. I managed a nod in return.
Except I’m not. I’ve merely been told that someone thinks research equals typing the word “hat” into Amazon’s search engine. Which I’m sure yielded tons of results about Roman Legionary “hats” and Samurai “hats”.
It works, I have been found on large crouds. You make make fun of it but it works.
Enabling a conversation forum for those too blunt and snarky to do in real life?
Doubting the veracity of someone’s statements is absolutely necessary rather than believing everything you see or hear, but to do so without being polite so publicly just smacks of ‘hey, everyone, look how right I am. More right than this person, for sure.’
Just my input. You may, and probably do, hold a differing opinion.
The problem with this is that, for men, Paul’s rules were the opposite of one ‘established gesture of respect’. The custom for Roman men taking part in religious ceremonies, especially when making offerings, was that they covered their heads. This may well be why Paul thought that this was an issue at all. Whatever he was doing, he wasn’t merely restating what all his original readers would have thought self-evident.
Rules for wearing hats have varied enormously over time and place, and for all sorts of reasons. However, in Christian societies, the rules about wearing them in church have almost always been regarded as special cases. And the reason for that is because Paul had specifically addressed the issue. The rules inside and outside church might be similar. Or they might be very different. But they were almost never conceived as one set of rules being applied to the other. Secular custom to be followed punctilliously might be seemly, practical and an external expression of a divinely-ordained political order. But few supposed that such etiquette was anything other than man-made. Paul’s comments, on the other hand, were Scripture.
I have many hats, ranging from Akubras to Trilbies to Pith Helmets, and whilst I don’t wear them every day, living in a Tropical state does rather necessitate wearing a hat most of them- especially if you plan on being outside for any longer than it takes to walk to your car.
Generally I find the rules are simple: Take your hat off when you’re inside someone’s house/office, at a restaurant, or in a place of worship. Also, if you’re actually dealing with a customer service person at the counter (eg a bank teller or cashier), except in Fast Food restaurants or Supermarkets.
Boy, it’s getting a bit snarky in here. 
Can you do me a favor and give me maybe 20% less snark?
::doffs cap::
No warnings issued.
Gfactor
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As before you are factually wrong.
I searched only in the contents of the particular titles you gave as cites. Which returned, as expected, exactly nothing.
You still have not given a single cite that backs up any of your assertions.
If you want to be believed you will have to do so.
The irony is that you claim it to be a “well-documented (as opposed to randomly theorized by a poster on a messageboard)” practice. Prove it. Document it. If I am wrong I will say so publicly. If you cannot document it I will expect you to do likewise. Can’t be any less rude than that.
This “rule” has no basis in today’s society. There’s no reason for it whatsoever. It’s roundly ignored by anyone who wears baseball caps and stocking caps, yet for some reason a few people get snarky about it when you wear a brimmed hat in a bar or restaurant–which doesn’t even supply a hat rack anymore–even when there are people in baseball caps at the same table.
You get held to a higher standard because you’re assumed to be a higher sort of creature, is why. We lower the bar for cretins - we’re happy they don’t spit on our shoes.
I’ve only been asked to take off my hat indoors on three occasions:
- By my highschool economics teacher who I guess was a fuddy duddy.
- At court.
- At the big cathedral in NYC (not even during a service, just as a tourist).
I think the contexts for wearing hats and the numerous different hats have evolved so much that this idea should just be banished entirely and replaced by the following:
“Asking other people to take off articles of clothing is rude, and possibly subject to sexual harassment suits.”
Obviously I wouldn’t try this in court, and might not have the heart with an elderly person, but I keep waiting to be asked to take off my hat so I can adopt a shocked expression and say “what! How dare you! I’ll take off my hat when you take off your pants! I never!”
I know some of my Jewish friends wear hats instead of yarmulkes but they serve the same purpose. Are they expected to remove their hats in court? Yarmukles?What about wigs? For many men, hats serve the same purpose as wigs. I always wanted to see some silly person insist someone take off their hat to discover they are bald from chemo so they’d feel bad about trying to enforce an outdated tradition.
I generally agree with you, but I make one exception: I always take off my hat at an event where it might interfere with someone else’s ability to see what’s going on. If I’m at a movie theater when there are people behind me, for example.
I LOL’d, I admit it.
I seem to recall an assertion by a well-known Englishman that people aren’t wearing enough hats.
It’s just plain polite to allow another person to see your face when you’re presenting yourself; failure to extend that courtesey is rude. There is speculation that the military salute is a vestige of lifting the visor of one’s plate armor in deference to this etiquette. Similarly, failing to remove ones sunglasses when speaking to someone in anything other than a casual setting is generally considered disrespectful. As for the rule about wearing hats, it’s always been my understanding that removal of headgear, or at least a gesture toward doing so when actual removal is impractical, is a matter of respect. So if you’re in someone else’s cave or in the presence of someone or something which commands respect, you “salute.” Yeah, a ball cap is different from a plate visor, but it’s hardly unheard of that a social action, which today is essentially meaningless, originated from very practical circumstances and simply evolved into something different as those circumstances faded. Plus, that bit about not having to admit you’re bald.
My favorite poet is Billy Collins. He wrote The Death of the Hat. Seems appropriate here.
There’s a world of difference between removing your hat and removing your pants.
Unless you’re a dickhead.