It’s Aspen. If you are there you don’t care what it costs.
I’m not sure exactly how it works to charge a non-Tesla at a Supercharger station, but the FAQs make it sound like you have to pay for a subscription so you can use the app and get the best charging rate. It also mentions you don’t have to have a membership but you’ll pay more. So, not sure how it really works.
The adapter is also good for Tesla Destination chargers, which are Level 2. So not super chargers but likely to be free. That is why I got one. There was a ChargePoint station was changed to a Tesla Destination near where I worked. No app needed (at least there) just plug in.
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Yeah, it really isn’t clear. So a membership gets you the same rate as Tesla owners get, but the price at the superchargers is for “all EVs”. Maybe if the whole supercharger team wasn’t fired, this stuff would make more sense.
And it’s one of the extra slow 72kW superchargers, so best to just send the help to get the car charged.
Bingo!
Spot on again!
This is not correct. You need a separate adapter for destination chargers.
That is interesting since Tesla themselves use the same plug, but in looking at the specs you are right, you would need a different adapter. I wonder if there is one that can use both.
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This current side discussion and confusion about what you need to do in order to use a public charger is exactly my reasoning for this post from upthread:
Unrelated: I can tell you that a Mustang Mach-E, with the regular battery, charged up to 97% will take you from the South end of Milwaukee to West side of Chicago and back with about 50 miles remaining. My home [L2] charger will take about 12 hours to recharge the battery.
Sneak Brag, That trip was a pilgrimage to McMaster Carr…and since it was a Sunday, they handle Will Calls in the warehouse instead of the Will Call desk. Apparently I was the third person to pick up there that morning. Of the other two, one was from Milwaukee and the other was from Indiana.
The J1772/CCS port uses different pins for the AC and DC current. The two big ones at the bottom are for DC, and the two top small ones (I think) in the J1772 are for AC. The NACS (Tesla) port uses the two larger pins at the top for both AC and DC.
So a J1772/NACS converter will connect the power pins on the NACS to the AC pins on the J1772, and a CCS converter will connect the power pins on the NACS side to the DC pins on CCS. Something that can connect both J1772 and CCS to a NACS port will need intelligence in it to route the electricity on the NACS power pins to the appropriate J1772/CCS power pins.
I expect that an adapter with those smarts would be more expensive than two dumb adapters.
Bumping the thread for advice.
So, some of you know that I did another thread a while ago about securing BEV/PHEV in AWD, and we (my wife and I) ended up getting a 2024 Rav4 Prime PHEV that we enjoy immensely. As a result, my beloved but ancient and ailing subie went to the trade in claws of the dealership, and I’m now driving my wife’s former car, a 2007 Rav4 6 cyl beast.
We were planning on keeping it going for a couple of years, then getting a new BEV or PHEV depending on what looked good, but the stripping of EV credits on the federal level as of September have made my wife really anxious.
So we’ve been considering getting a new 2025 Prius PHEV (formerly the Prime) on an expedited basis. Toyota (for the moment) is still offering $4500 on leases on EV/PHEV models, and Colorado state will include at least $3500 as well. We’d lease for a period, and then secure a more traditional loan and pay it off. For the record, we paid off the lease and got the new Rav4 paid off already, but that’s not something we’d be able to do on this short planning period of course.
The features we want most are (of course 
) on their most expensive models, so about $40k before any incentives. But if we do it, I’m also minded to just go for the most basic model which is still a solid car, $5000 -less-, and probably will qualify for another $2500 in state incentives.
I know the cheapest, and most environmentally friendly car is the one you already own and have paid off, but honestly, I don’t think things are going to be good in terms of EV buying options anytime in the near future considering the administration and the legislature. And that leaves out the on again / off again possibilities of tariffs.
I acknowledge I’m taking counsel of my fears as well - but on a practical note, a 2007 with 120k miles, even if in good shape is something that we need to expect to replace sooner, not later, so more a matter of doing something sooner than we intended, rather than something completely unplanned for.
We still haven’t replaced the electrical panel, so going full BEV and getting an in-home level 2 charger are off the table for the moment if we DO get a new vehicle, otherwise that’s next year’s planned big expense.
Oh, and while I really do prefer AWD for Colorado winters, Global warming means that it’s less an issue every year, so we’re both okay as long as ONE of our vehicles is AWD, which the Rav4 PHEV takes care of well.
Thanks for listening, just want to solicit opinions outside my own (and wife’s) head.
I think that all sounds well reasoned. 120k on an 18 year old Rav4 is still well within the lifetime of a Toyota, but also past anytime when you need to feel guilty about moving to something else.
I read you thoughts on BEVs, but also consider that Colorado still has the $4000 tax credit on used EVs under $25,000. Just as an example, that could get you into a 6,000 mile 2025 Nissan Leaf for under $15k. That might leave space in your budget to do your panel and charger. Though Level 1 charging would probably be enough if you’re driving under 7000 miles per year.
Sorry to come back with exactly what you asked not for, but I’m going to keep beating the electric horse.
(And I’m disappointed that I can’t use the $4k rebate on a used Lucid.)
Subaru has some hybrid options, though not, I think, PHEVs. I’m leaning towards a Subaru Forester (possibly the hybrid version) though originally I was planning to get the PHEV RAV4.
You’re below average # of miles / year on that vehicle & should be able to expect a lot more from the engine. How is the body? You’ll only be at ≈ 140 when he’s out of orifice & maybe ≈ 150 when there are a plethora of options again, & probably better cars than they are now.
The Crosstrek was sold as a PHEV briefly, and I believe it was coming back, but it was abysmal in terms of all electric range.
Our Rav4’s PHEV lets my wife drive almost all of her miles on all electric - absent a couple annual trips to Denver, or other occasional distance - all on Level 1 Charging. (roughly 10-12 hours to recovery the full 42 mile range).
This is a good point, and I won’t chastise you. The used electric market is a bit sub-par right now, and our loose cash is also a bit low, after paying off the Rav4 Prime - so financing would have to happen either way. One of the reasons to pick the Prius PHEV is that, like the wife, I’d be driving it as a BEV 90+ % of my miles, but I have family obligations that make a sudden long drive very plausible on an unplanned basis. My parents are in their mid 80s, and live 630 miles away. And given the issues with hub-based air travel, it’s almost the same time to drive as fly, so I’m -more- comfortable with PHEV right now. Fully granted though, getting an all electric and just swapping cars with the wife would work, so I’ll give the used market another glance.
Sadly, almost all the used market locally is freakin’ Teslas, and I’d rather rub capsicums and lemon juice into open wounds.
Well, while my wife was working on her PhD, I normally would just drop her off at work on my way in, and pick her up in the evening, so for quite a period of time (not even mentioning Covid!) it only got driven on the weekends, so yes, we’ve been taking good care of it. The body is in sound condition, though we’ve got an upcoming major maintenance and spark plug change needed, which is going to be around a grand.
Again, the odds are the car will continue to run fine, probably for another half-dozen years, riiiiight up until it doesn’t. The question is with current circumstance, are we going to end up in a circumstance similar to the car shopping post-Covid, where you have a very hard time replacing a vehicle at a reasonable cost, due to issues with incentives, tariffs, and other predictable issues with our political chaos.
And I’d rather get a new PHEV or BEV in the near future, rather than end up buying a new/used ICE vehicle because I have the immediate need right then/there. Heck, to get a Prius, I’d have to have the dealer work with another dealership 60 miles away, because they don’t have any stock locally - it’s darn popular.
Which is what, 2 months worth of payments? That third month with your current car you’re coming out ahead.
Well, if we go with the cheaper of the two options I laid out, 4 months, but otherwise you are completely correct.
As I said earlier, the cheapest and most environmentally sound vehicle is a paid off vehicle you already have. Absolutely I’m going to pay more money (in insurance if absolutely nothing else!) swapping to a new vehicle - EV, PHEV, or ICE. One of the reasons I mentioned maintenance is that judiciously spending $1000 US on needed standard care is good when our original plan was to keep it for another 3-5 years or so. Doing so if we trade it in (Kelly BB estimate of around 3k USD) is a different set of calculations. And of course, if it gets damaged in any way, it’s going to be a total loss, so not repairable although perhaps still useable with a salvage title.
In the world we lived in last year, I was perfectly happy with our plan of upgrading the house panel and in 3-5 years getting a new BEV for the wife, while I’d take over the Rav 4 Prime. I’m just saying right NOW things aren’t looking so good (nor do I honestly expect any quick fix in the next election cycle, even if we avoid the worse case scenario with MAGA) for the future of “reasonably” priced BEV/PHEV outside the used market. Especially since these changes are likely to hurt any hopes of success in the recent drive to bring lower cost EVs to market such as the Slate.
I’m not worried that they’ll go AWAY, but that they’ll increasingly be priced past the point of being able to make the argument that I should just get a fuel efficient ICE hybrid (non PHEV).
No electric vehicle plans now, but we bought a new (slightly used house) and are getting PV panels on the roof that should take care of all of our needs. Including electric vehicles (the garages are wired for them).
We are doing ‘Net metering’ yeah, it’s gonna cost us up front, but the sale of our old house should cover everything.
So, I’ve already turned 64 (with a nod to the Beatles), we should not have to worry too much about increased electricity prices. If anything, this is going to make me more aware of how much we use. I’ll be able to monitor each of our 23 panels Kw. A geeky enterprise that is perfect for me.
Something to occupy you in retirement!
My friend has 24 panels on the garage roof. He showed me the output reading of about 11kW on a January day with gloomy cloud cover. His electric bill is $7.
Coolio. This is what I’m looking for. We will be at 5000’ elevation (We are dropping down over a mile in elevation) in Colorado that has some of the bluest skies anywhere.
Well, we’re going to do a review of the Prius PHEV today, so it may or may not happen. I mentioned earlier that the features I wanted the most (the 360 view camera and the ventilated seats) were only on the tippy top stupid expensive model so around $42k but with around $8.5k in dealer and state incentives.
[ note, the asking price of these shot up over $3k since I made my inquiry, but at least I offered a deposit at the agreed cheaper quote, because the only one within 100 miles was already 60 miles away ]
The dealer I was working with mentioned they have two for me to view today, but tellingly, they DIDN’T confirm which models, which to me says they’ve likely got the “mid range” model and the base. If that’s the case, the mid range (to me) doesn’t justify it’s price (it has all the features I didn’t care much about, but not the ones Only available on the top end). But the base model is still tempting if I can’t get what I want. It’s juuuust under $35k (so over 7k in savings right there) and gets a bit over $11k (!) in dealer and Colorado State EV rebates due to it’s lower asking point. So approximately a $24k car after all that. Which is darn impressive for any PHEV considering the premium you pay for the flexibility.
If it doesn’t work out though (I have minor concerns that due to the semi-awkward instrument cluster placement my wife wouldn’t be able to see, and for us, we HAVE to be able to drive each others cars as an emergency requirement) we’ll just go ahead with our planned service on the 2007 and roll the dice that things for PHEV/BEV won’t get worse considering the gibbering gibbon at the top.