Funny, I use the same sentence when someone tells me they have faith is some sort of supernatural actor(s).
That’s pretty much my view as well. Anything that can be explained as a natural phenomena should be assumed to be a natural phenomena. Proof of God requires evidence of something that can’t be explained by our knowledge of nature.
And it would have to be direct evidence. No second hand accounts of miracles.
Finally, for a miracle to be attributed to God, you’d have to demonstrate that it isn’t caused by some other deity or supernatural force. Maybe set up a series of experiments, pray to different supernatural entities to produce a miraculous result, and see which experiments have a miracle.
Fish have tangible evidence that water exists. There is no equivalent evidence that God exists.
A gotcha is not an argument: however smug the got(t)cha’er feels I consider him disqualified by got(t)cha’ing. Just shows he did not mean the question in earnest. He argued in bad faith. Just let him take his points home and feel victorious, he is not worth arguing with.
A miracle is not an argument either, just look up what those words mean. And I think it is no coincidence that miracles never happen in circumstances that are verifiable.
Swimming in god is a lovely image. I like that.
Unfortunately, most people don’t mean that when they talk about “believing in God”. They include: now you have to do what I tell you to do and believe whatever else I (or my book) tell you to believe.
I’m sorry if I am incapable of setting my bar low enough to accept your view of “reality”.
Not necessarily. Sometimes people are repeating an argument that seemed superficially to make sense to them. Especially when a person is motivated to hear “good arguments against atheism” or whatever. This is why I didn’t accuse the op of trying a gotcha.
Let’s start with a face-to-face conversation about why my daughter had a horrible illness from conception and died due to it. And no fair him giving the bullshit answer he gave Job of, “You wouldn’t understand.”
Apology unnecessary. If you don’t get it, you don’t get it. No prob. Reality keeps right on rolling along.
First you’ll have to define “God”, we can go on from there depending on your definition.
Everyone on Earth believes in gravity.
If God existed, He could easily prove it.
(Since there’s no evidence of any God, there’s no need to assume one exists.)
I would be convinced if the OP returned to the thread and gave us his thoughts and thanked all the kind posters for their thoughtful responses.
You have never met a flearther or watched one of their video I assume.
Do you have any specific Biblical prophesies in mind, @phillipdalton?
For me to “get it”, I ask that you first “give it”. What is your best evidence for the existence of the god you believe in?
You know, fish swim in water, ergo God.
No indeed (I have better things to do with my time 
) - but even they agree that objects fall…
If a god exists, then why does she need me to convince someone of her existence? An all-powerful, all-knowing being shouldn’t have to rely on the likes of me to convince others.
Sounds like my old argument. What would it take for an all-knowing deity to convince me it exists? I don’t know, but an all-knowing deity would.
No they don’t. Objects assume their natural position due to relative density.
And helium balloons and flying birds disprove gravity.