Oh you mean the Christians that totally agree with atheism and believe the Bible is fiction, I’m always always always wrong, and Jesus Christ never existed? Oh yea, those Christians.
Well, damn, the first 50 times you used a God of the Gaps fallacy it wasn’t persuasive. But time 51? Whoa boy!
Of course, you are correct. People coming back to life proves that Ahura Mazda is the one true God and Christians are all following the trickery of Ahrimen. Thank you for proving, beyond a doubt, the veracity of Zoroastrianism.
(Is any of this starting to sink in yet, or are you still being horribly persecuted in your mind?)
GEEPERS, I notice you much prefer registering your offense at everything to making an argument about anything. I’ll ask again: what claims do you think atheists should agree with you about? And what happened to all that stuff about how we decide between the miraculous claims of Christianity, the miraculous claims of Islam, the miraculous claims of Buddhism, and the claims of all the other religions?
Launching strawman arguments against Christians and atheists at the same time! Not bad. But yes, Christians and religious believers have posted in this thread. The reason they are not rallying to your defense is that they don’t want to be associated with your errors in logic and science and Biblical scholarship, not to mention your attitude, which I’m tempted to call un-Christian.
He claimed that it was somehow a trap to try to get him to elaborate on an objective, constant set of criteria which could be used to test any religious claims. Whether or not he rejected that attempt directly because he realized that the same criteria would be no kinder to Christianity than Islam is, of course, up to the reader.
Christianity had over 1,000 years of unchallenged dominance in Europe. If this faith healing was so effective, you’d think it might have done some good. But life expectancy only started increasing with the advent of scientific medicine.
The human body is complex and diverse. Medicine never claims 100% cure rates. Does faith healing? Anyhow, I’m waiting for a faith healer to restore an amputated arm or leg. Then we’d have something, wouldn’t we? Odd how faith doesn’t produce any real miracles.
I don’t care what religion my doctor is, but I sure would rather him spend his time studying the literature than praying.
I do know one religion-based medical term. When my wife was working for a drug company, she got physician reports, some of which involved the death of the patient. A fair number of these listed, for cause of death, “GOK”. This stands for “God Only Knows.”
Or maybe you knew the version about Bambury Cross. :smack:
Wow, what a brilliant copout. I don’t appreciate your mockery, sir or your starch refusal to even look at the evidence. Go fester in your own decayed thinking. I have nothing more to discuss with you. You simply don’t want to believe.
Thank you for upholding my extremely low opinion of atheists. Smoke and mirrors, indeed.
Geepers, how do you know your experience was not trickery from Ahiriman?
Hint: showing (again) your support rests on entirely fallacious grounds is not a ‘copout’. I’m beginning to think you don’t grok what that word means. As for the absurdity that I “refuse to even look at the evidence”, aside from the obvious psychological projection, is the fact that I’ve looked at your ‘evidence’ and pointed out that even if we assume it implies a supernatural realm, that it still doesn’t tell us why your God and not someone else’s is the supernatural entity we should put full faith and credit into.
You rather obviously haven’t been discussing anything since you got here. Discussion involves give and take and at least an open desire to listen to one’s conversation partner. You came here to Witness, not to discuss anything.
Bigoted views are something to be proud of, now?
Don’t worry, I still judge Christians as individuals and don’t hold them responsible for your behavior.
Hey you are started this thread to ( lol) educate me and look what it has become. Another attack on GEEPERS. GEEPERS, who can NEVER BE RIGHT about anything!!! Yes, cmon Christians, pick up a stone, and join in the fun!
I’m done playing and being fodder for your own ignorant rants. Nothing you have said as changed my subterrean opinion of atheists as arrogant, cold hearted, rude, and inhabiting a stubborn refusal to even examine evidence in favor of Christianity.
But thank you for proving the Bible - Matthew 10:22
Hey, you’re allowed to be right whenever you care to start.
You just haven’t taken advantage of the option yet.
Just FYI, many of us atheists were raised as Christians, and held genuine Christian beliefs before becoming atheists.
Quite the persecution complex you have.
Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
Questioning your belief is not the same thing as hating you. Christians who have been tortured, killed, and actually hated would resent your comparison.
Ok, you can now go back to sticking your head in the sand. I’m sorry if I rattled your delusions with you know, actual evidence. The fact that atheists like you even refuse to admit what it would take to prove God’s existance shows that I am quite right.
In a nutshell
atheism = stupidity
(and other faiths too, of course)
What evidence? You won’t post any. Well, other than radios turning and off.
You go on believing that. Of course, you admitted that you really only have personal evidence which is the same as for every single other competing religion on the globe. That was a trap to get you to actually put forward a valid epistemological analysis, naturally.
I know that you don’t understand at all, but this is by far the weakest of your God of the Gaps fallacies. Further, you’re not being… accurate. I’ve pointed out the hurdles inherent in proving any ‘supernatural’ realm let alone any deities and gave one example of a way that a supernatural being could begin to make its word known to humanity. You, on the other hand, immediately upon realizing that your objections to other religions can be applied by outsiders to your own religion, tried to change the subject.
I hope this is the apex of this melodrama. They think you’re wrong in an argument - and you are wrong, without exception - they’re not stoning you to death. I realize the thread mentioned you by name (I wanted you to read it and respond), but very little of this is about you specifically. I think every single mistake you’ve made here has been made by other posters in the past, and they’ve received the same treatment. Nobody’s doing this because they want to persecute GEEPERS the Christian. They’re doing it because more or less everything you’ve said about atheism, any kind of science, and even the Bible have been incorrect. That’s not a personal attack no matter how much you dislike it. It’s factual. There’s been an actual effort to inform you here, and not only have you ignored it and attacked everybody else’s honesty, you’ve refused to make any kind of complete argument while complaining that everybody else is mean and dishing out plenty of self-pity. That’s the explanation for the response you’re getting.
Nonsense. Science has a long history of being right (and if it isn’t right of correcting itself), just as religion has a long history of being wrong. We are communicating right now on a system devised using scientific knowledge after all. It’s not faith to trust something that has proven itself.
No I don’t. The fact that atheists are extremely passionate and relentless in attacking Christianity and the Bible suggests otherwise.
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What it suggests is that atheists have spent a lifetime having religion shoved in their face and often forced upon them; and on a mostly American & European board, it has mostly been Christians who have done it. Atheism is reactive; it only exists as a defined term in the first place because of all the religious people who claim their pet delusions are true and try to force everyone else to go along with their fantasy; people don’t believe in goblins & fairys don’t talk about agoblinism or afairyism.
Of course scientists can be wrong; they normally start out wrong after all. But they correct their mistakes as the evidence comes in; it’s called scientific progress. As opposed to religion, which is always wrong and refuses to correct its mistakes - just as you are doing right now.
I know that they are faith healers or believe in faith healing, which makes them either frauds or deluded.
For starters, large amounts of scientific evidence that someone was repaired in a way that biology and modern medicine can’t duplicate, like regrowing a limb. And it would have to be evidence that doesn’t mysteriously vanish whenever a skeptic shows up. And it would have to be gone over by experts in fraud as well.
Note that such a “miracle” still wouldn’t be evidence of your logically impossible bronze age sky god. There are a near infinite number of alternative explanations, most of which are more plausible.
A poor definition of the word “dead”, that’s how.
Hell. I bet that any random half dozen atheists/agnostics who’ve posted in this thread could produce far better Devil’s Advocate versions of apologia for any random half dozen religions than GEEPER’s done. Hell, take a random dozen of us and have us argue everything from Catholicism and Orthodox Judaism to Hinduism and on to Scientology, and we’d still produce better arguments. *Because at least we’d be producing actual arguments and not simply readying a good leap to get back up on the cross after we change the subject to something new. *