If all atheists are Bible mockers and out to destroy Christianity, then can we say that all Christians are hate mongers who picket funerals a la Fred Phelps?
I’m sure if you cited something specific, there might be scope for atheists to agree on a lot of teachings and principles, but once again, you seem to be wanting some sort of carte blanche agreement.
Why would anyone offer that sort of open-ended agreement about anything? It’s like issuing a blank check.
This is also the first time that I recall his mentioning the goodness and purity of the teachings of Jesus. He had previously been too busy distracting us with Old Testament stories and the healing power of prayer, neither of which have much to do with “Love thy Neighbour” or “Blessed are the Peacemakers.”
I think you’re walking into a trap. All GEEPERS needs to do now is cherry pick one example of a teaching that nobody would disagree with (on the grounds that it’s obvious, or trivial - suppose Jesus is quoted as describing the sky as blue somewhere), then he can declare “See? Atheists won’t even believe the sky is blue if Jesus said it!”
Agreed, although I think it might fall under the general category of ‘agreeing the Christians are right about anything’ - a previous complaint for some kind of pre-emptive blind agreement.
Jesus was a nice Jewish boy and had some good ideas. I think most of us, with the exception of Fundamentalist anti-theists like Der, would agree to that much. It’s certain members of Jesus’ fan club that most of us would take exception with.
A trap on par with [parent to child]“I’ve got your nose!”[/parent to child]
It’ll be a non-issue if GEEPERS wants to discuss those teachings and peoples’ opinions in any kind of depth. Failure to endorse every single one of Jesus’ teachings doesn’t indicate hatred of Christianity.
Here we learn that all atheists are angry at this God, as evidenced by the fact that all atheists have written books mocking the Bible.
GEEPERS, do you even think at all before you post? It would seem that after waiting a week, you’d have something to say that wasn’t so stupid. Cause what you’ve said here is really bottom-of-the-barrel stupid.
Raised Baptist, then Lutheran. Turned agnostic at 17ish.
I’ll weigh in just because Im thrown into the atheist camp by most believers.
1 - I dont feel God. I tried and tried and wrenched myself apart, cried and begged, but alas no God entered my heart despite my best attempts to suck up, kiss ass, and beg on my knees to feel Him. I didnt even ask for favors or a kiddie magic trick.
2 - Old Testament vs New Testament - should I even go here? It’s not even the same reigning personality unless God is bipoloar, tripolar, maybe even penta-polar? (depending on how many versions of Him you moosh together)
3 - Nothing about God is believable because there is no shred of evidence it’s true any more than Greek mythology is true.
4 - Religions are in contradiction to God’s absoluteness (depending on which version of the testaments you favor). His word shouldnt be changed to reflect current modern attitudes, Catholics Im looking at you mostly. What He said IS or it ISNT. Never ending re-interpretations made to gel with societal whims should be a ticket to hell imo.
But that’s not to say I’d stubbornly reject Him if He showed up at the table tonight. Then I’d believe without further argument.
No, the trap you have all fallen for is a bait and switch.
The absurd claim of hatred for God has been switched for hatred of christianity (and the pureness of Jesus’s teachings).
Whatever that means.
This is over the line. Personal insults aren’t allowed in this forum.
That’s been going on all thread, and in past threads. I even addressed it in the OP because GEEPERS insists on putting Christianity at the forefront of the list of religions atheists don’t believe in.
It’s possible he’s talking about the Queen Jane’s Version Bible. I have two copies of this 5 lb tome. Read Amazon’s description of it. It has a little bit of everything in it, and if my memory serves me correctly, he went through every single verse. I didn’t find it as funny as others, but it definitely has shock value, especially if someone picks it up that is a believer that isn’t on to it at first. I’ve had mine in boxes for ten years. If someone is interested in one of these, PM me.
Quite. It seems like GEEPERS wants atheists to make the following choice:
a) agree in advance that X% of his position is correct, then be told what you just agreed with
Or
b) refuse this absurd deal and be mis-described as "never agreeing with anything "
Oh dear me. That sounds like an amazing waste of time and effort. Who did they think their target audience would be?
My initial impression is of a ten-year-old who just discovered you can sing rude lyrics to popular songs.
No argument from me. I personally didn’t get it, but I would say it’s far easier to understand than the King James Version, and lets the reader understand much more quickly what exactly is going on in many of these stories, without mincing words, and using an archaic language. For me, anyway, the humor failed miserably, and it wasn’t because I was offended. I’d say it has educational worth though, and would be a fast way for a believer to really understand what is in the bible, but I have a hard time thinking any would dare pick up this book, except to burn it.
I like that assessment and thought about that many times (who hasnt?). Why always is it some low level miracle? Where are the regrown limbs?
I would think, and Im NOT intending to insult Christianity, but I would think God would have put Daniel Pearl’s head back on and smote the animals who killed him. Or pick any of thousands of pure evil acts against innocent victims. The selective low level miracles don’t convince me of anything except random odds are at play.
I would be more willing to explore the idea of an imperfect God, or a even a bumbling deity than the one presented in scriptures.
It’s like having the powers of The Human Torch, but restricting yourself to lighting birthday cake candles when no one is watching.