What Battle Would You Most Like/ Dislike To Participate In?

So, we have a time machine that can take us to any time to observe a battle.

However, it is not perfect. You can’t really observe, you must participate. So if the side you choose to participate with suffers horrendous casualties, there is every likelihood that you will be pushing up Flanders Poppies. So fighting with Custer at Little Big Horn would not induce longevity.

So, would you care to nominate one battle where you would like to participate, and the side, and also one where you would run like hell.
Battle would love to have participated in: Waterloo on the side of the English/ Prussians. Because it is history! (And the odds weren’t too bad).

Battle where you couldn’t get me: The Battle of the Somme- too much of a coward to go over the top anytime. And 63,000 casualties on the Allies side on the first day reinforces my cowardice.

Would love: Battle of Bennington (for the colonials). Easy victory over an overconfident enemy.

Agincourt would have been interesting from the English side, too.

Hate: Verdun, especially in the initial battle. Wouldn’t matter if I were French or German.

I assume you mean that I will be outfitted with the standard issue gear of the period and force I align myself with (I can’t pop in on King Leonidas and give him some air support with a bomber). Otherwise this gets very silly :slight_smile:

Less silly is to task if I am not permitted to try to change the outcome of the battle. For example, am I teleported directly into the scrum after it has begun, or do I have an opportunity to reach the commander’s tent before or shortly after the battle begins? Otherwise, several well known battles or wars in history were decisively affected by lack of clear information, a single miscalculation or moment of indecision.

One that comes to mind is the Battle of Antietam (Sharpsburg) in the US Civil War. Occuring in 1862, what could have been a history altering turn of luck occurred when a Union soldier chanced across the Confederate General Lee’s actual battle plans left under a tree used to wrap a few cigars together(!). However the Union General McClellan hesitated to trust the information, not sure if it was some hoax or trap, and only partially altered his own troop placement in response and with almost a full day’s delay. Had he realized the plans were genuine and the loss unknown to Lee, they could have destroyed the main part of the Confederate army in the field that day and likely have brokered a much quicker end to the war.

If I’m only allowed to arrive after battle is engaged on the front lines, but am allowed to try to change history by sending the commander an urgent message (whether it will be believed or not depends on my crafting of the message), I’ll have to think about that one.

If I’m not allowed to try to change history but only to participate in it as a combatant, well, I’ll pass. The idea simply has no appeal.

Well, my idea was simply as a combatant. Not to change history or whatever.

I though from it may have had some appeal in seeing the battle as a person who had no real influence over the outcome.

Being the devout coward that I am, probably none. But, I’ll take a shot.

Like to be
Anglo-Zanzibar War, on the British side of course.

Attack on Hirsohima As long as I am in the Enola Gay

Not like to be
The Retreat from Kabul The British side
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Battle of Kleidion**
on the Bulgarian side.
Siachen Glacier. Both sidea really. As my dear old dad says. “Fucking cold, Fucking Indians and Fucking weapons don’t work”.

Thing is, at both Somme and Waterloo, unless you had the misfortune of being in some really hot sector, you had a pretty decent chance of survival. OTH, in some of the other Battles I have mentioned, you were well and truly fucked.

AK84, I’d forgotten about hte Kabul fiasco.

I sure would not have liked to be at Kut either.

Well, pretty much any engagement of the Persian Gulf War would have been fairly safe, on the American side.

Despite a lifetime of fascination with battle and military history, I’ve come to the conclusion that battle proper is too ghastly for my taste, even if I was magically guaranteed to survive.

Historian Shelby Foote was once asked which US Civil War battle he would go back in time to see, and he thoughtfully specified only battles with good open views – there’s no point in going back to “see” the Wilderness battle, or Chickamauga, which were largely confused groups of men isolated in dense underbrush filled with black-powder smoke. He settled on Antietam, and one other, maybe Fredericksburg or Missionary Ridge, as offering enough visual perspective to be worth seeing. Since Antietam was the bloodiest single day’s fighting in the entire Western hemisphere, and Fredericksburg was a frustratingly stupid one-sided slaughter, that leaves Missionary Ridge, I guess, although casualties were not especially “light” there either. But you would get to see a stirring assault carry an “impregnable” position.

I used to daydream about the longbowmen at Agincourt. Knowing as I do now that the main casualties at Agincourt were produced by hand-to-hand mass butchery of almost-helpless class-enemies mired in cold mud, I’ve lost my taste for it.

Another approach is to pick a “battle” that lasts a long time, so as to get one’s “money’s worth,” like the Battle of Britain or the Battle of the Atlantic. I think flying a Spitfire against the Hun might be worth risking death for, and air war was less gruesome than mass infantry collision.

Although it might not count as “battle,” I like to imagine what it would have been like to be in the infantry under Sheridan on April 9, 1865. By relentless demand for action, Sheridan had finally managed to get infantry and cavalry blocking Lee’s retreat. The Confederates came on hard, driving the cavalry, until they saw the long lines of Union infantry and realized the game was up. For their part, the Union infantry had marched hard for days and skipped breakfast this morning, and now realized they were going to bear the brunt of absolutely desperate attack by the infamously dangerous Confederate infantry – and risk death on what might be the last day of the war. Their empty stomachs were not in this fight. The rebels slowed and dressed their lines, the Federals hung on, waiting for the worst…

And a single rider suddenly galloped out of the Confederate lines with an improvised white flag.

No battle to speak of, but what would it have been like to stand with comrades in that stunned silence?

As far as the worst, well, there’s a laundry list of unendurable hells I’d avoid at all costs. Stalingrad, the Somme, Guadalcanal? Okinawa, Berlin, Cannae? All of WWI? The entire Eastern Front in WWII? Too many to list.

One largely-forgotten but particularly haunting hell that comes to mind is the Bloody Angle/Mule Shoe at Spotsylvania. Grant had been driving against Lee, then flanking him and driving again, as part of the murderous Forty Days campaign. When the outflanking attempt was thwarted again at Spotsylvania, he attacked. One part of the attack was led by a young man with big ideas, Col. Emory Upton, who decided to try massing his men in a column and having them hold their fire and rush against a bend in the breastworks (the intention being that it would be harder to mass fire against them since the line on both sides angles away). The salient was held by 22 guns. Despite the cannon and breastworks, Upton’s men split the line like an axe stroke, and only withdrew because of lack of support from other units. Grant liked the partial success, and ordered it to be repeated by an entire corps the next day.

During the night, Lee had the 22 guns withdrawn from the Mule Shoe.

Next day in pre-dawn darkness, the Union hurled men in huge numbers into the line on a narrow front. Seeing this attack develop, the Confederates realized they would be cut in half and defeated unless they did their utmost – which they were prepared to do. The fighting became the worst savagery in the Civil War – all day men slammed into each other at point-blank range, fighting with guns, bayonets, and hand-to-hand with extraordinary effort and bitterness. Description abounds of screaming madmen clawing at each other before being shot down and trampled underfoot by new waves. The emotional level was remarked on by all survivors.

That’s one I’d skip, but one among many.

Unless you happened to be a National Guardsman on a business end of a Scud missile which actually hit its target.

Wouldn’t mind seeing: Roncesvalles, but definitely not on the Frank side.

Would rather not be within a thousand miles of: Trafalgar.

Since Waterloo and Agincourt have already been mentioned and despite Nava’s reservations, I’ll take Trafalgar. Just once before I die, I’d like to see and hear a full broadside from a British Ship of the Line and watch it strike home against another ship.

Hmmm…Can we chose which ship to be on?

I’ll take HMS Bellerophon (aka Billy Ruffian).

More specific than that–I want to be a Prussian. They didn’t get there until it was almost over!

The Battle of Borodino has always struck me as one that was a really, really crappy experience for both sides.

Bir Hakeim, on the Free French side. Fighting against ten to one with worse odds for artillery, none for air, opposing one of the greatest generals in history, allowing the British to withdraw in order to hold Egypt; keeping Turkey and Iran from joining Germany in rolling into Russia from the south; and then, when all was safely taken care of, sneaking off into the desert.

When I was younger, I always wanted to be a member of the 24th regiment at the battle of Roarke’s Drift.

Now, I’ll pass thank you.

i think it would have been interesting to be an islander during the battle of niihau

Wise choice, no matter how cool Michael Caine was. :slight_smile:

I was always a Stanley Baker man myself.:slight_smile:

A wimp! A weenie!
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