One movie I’m surprised never gets mention whenever this subject comes up, particularly since it’s very well known:
The Fast and The Furious.
Let’s get one thing clear…Dominic Torretto is a violent criminal. He nearly killed a NASCAR driver over a completely blameless altercation, and he recently orchestrated the hijacking of several trailers full of electronic equipment. He’s brutal, short-tempered, and utterly devoid of compassion. And in the end, Brian O’Connor gives him his car so he can escape. (And O’Connor himself gets away clean, of course.)
Oh, and because Johnny Tran never has to answer for blowing up a car or assaulting a parts supplier, he gets the chance to murder a frightened young racer.
On the whole, I’d say that evil definitely came out well on the positive side of the balance here.
(Disagree with The Empire Strikes Back. At best, Darth Vader had a no-decision; Luke didn’t turn and the Millennium Falcon got away clean twice. And there were no good guys in Platoon…that was the whole point of the movie…so any discussion of who won is kinda moot.)
You are definitely correct about Reservoir Dogs. Tim Roth is an honest to goodness good guy and he gets his. However, no bad guys win anything.
In Pulp Fiction, I guess Bruce Willis is the winner, in that he kills John Travolta and gets a free pass from Ving Rhames. However, Butch is as close to a good guy as you get in Pulp Fiction and he wins big. (Unless you count “dead nigger storage” Jimmy, who also wins.)
There’s probably way more movies where the good guy loses than there are where the bad guy wins.
Re: the stocks. Ozymandias was actually buying stocks on the basis of what was currently happening, but hedging his bets by not buying into anything that would fall if his plan worked.
Re: the lackeys. His plan would only work if the world didn’t know he had done it. He would have to be to ensure nobody could tell, and this was important enough that he couldn’t risk leaving anyone who knew of the plan alive. That doesn’t mean he liked it or wanted to do it; in fact, in his final conversation with Doctor Manhattan he says that he “made himself feel every death” and that he’s haunted by what he had to do, but he did it because for the world to survive someone had to.
But he was still benefiting from his evil deeds which was my point.
Remorse for murder? Big deal he murdered people to cover his tracks. He let Night Owl and Laurie go and didn’t seem to be planning to ‘off’ them when Manhattan left. He didn’t seem too worked up about Rorschach taking off. If he could make a deal with them to not tattle he could have made it with his lackeys. Frankly I think much of what he did was for his own vanity and not for mankind.
Bottom line is he committed a terrorist act. If Osama Bin Laden murdered 1,000 Arab youths and blamed it on the USA to unify the Arab community during the Iraq/Iran war we’d call the act evil. Even though it would have saved many many more lives in the long run. Just because Ozymandias did it on a larger scale for world peace doesn’t make it any more right. Though I do disagree with Rorschach wanting to go tell people anyway. After the fact there’d be no point other then screwing things up worse.
Your pathetic attempt at wit - and I’m giving you benefit of the doubt here - leaves it looking like you believe the Nazis were the good guys and the Jews were the villains. If this is the case, please do say so you can be banned. If it isn’t, you’d better explain what you really meant in a hurry.
Boys Don’t Cry. Teena Brandon lives a miserable sort of a life but dreams of better days as a man, and her starry-eyed hope gets her raped then shot. Loaded with laughs.
Some flick with John Travolta trying to save a girl buried alive by a kidnapper. He doesn’t. She’s dead.
Arlington Road. Is Jeff Bridges’ neighbour a terrorist? Um, yes. And he uses Bridges to blow up whatever he wants to blow up too, and blows him up along with it. And everybody cries except Ross, who laughs like a drain and gets banished to look after the baby.
Maybe he is a skin head. But would that get him banned? How does the banning work here? I am not saying it is right being skinhead but isn’t everybody entitled to their thoughts and opinions?
Amadeus: If you consider Saleri the bad guy. Mozart has the last laugh because Saleri wastes away in a mental institution consumed with guilt, his music forgotten while Mozart’s legacy is as strong as ever.
Yes and no. If Trunk hates Jews - and I do say “if”, because it’s not yet proven - we can’t force him to change his mind. However, that doesn’t mean the SDMB mods have to allow the board to be used as a forum for preaching anti-Semitism.
From the Rules:
“You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use the SDMB to post any material that is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, threatening, invasive of a person’s privacy, or violative of U.S. law. You agree not to post material that in our opinion fosters or promotes activity that is illegal in the U.S.”
Anti-Semitism definitely falls into several of those categories, and as such posting it here is a violation of your user agreement.
I totally see what you saying and agree but here is where it gets weird. Say me and you hate nazis(because they are the bad guys to the jews and our enemy during wwII is that considered hated too?
No. Like any other crime, hate crime requires a victim. Nazis, being as they are best described as racist religious intolerants with a taste for genocide, don’t really fit the bill.
Or to put it another way, if it is detestable to kill a man just because his skin is brown, what makes it more acceptable when a thousand men get together to do it?
As I recall. . .really don’t unspoil if you plan on seeing this, which is pretty good. . .
Travolta was a “sound guy” for a movie and he needed a woman’s scream. Long story short, he wired a woman who was used as a decoy for a prostitute murderer and they were going to ambush the murderer. They got confused and the girl ended up getting killed but he got the scream on tape.
Sorry if this movie already came up. I didn’t read through the thread to check.