What can you say to a website like this?

And these two generals (or however many individuals) have done what exactly? Um, voiced an opinion, and then…not?..done anything further? Gee, looks like they are going to start doling out extra-judicial punishments.

Yes, we all know how individuals who engage in combat from protected sites, use suicide tactics which kill as many civilians as soldiers/cops, wear no uniforms and fight for no flag are protected by the Geneva Conventions of 1945 (as ammended.) Yet, these folks who fall outside the protection of the Convention are expected to recieve it. They deserve it. After all, they’re fighting the good fight! Well, here’s some news bub. Were they abused? Yep. Who got punished? Well, I do believe it was the folks who did the abusing. Hmm…those who violated the law were punished. Hey, what a novel idea! The bitch who ran the MP brigade in charge of Abu Gharib will never see her second star. With that hanging over her head, I don’t think she’ll see much of anything positive. Nor were the privates involved. Aah, justice.

Well, that’s your opinion and you’re welcome to it. In fact, there are a bunch of angry white guys in Montana who are stockpiling ammo and hate with the exact same opinion. You’re welcome to join them.

Fush, your post is so larded with sarcasm that I can’t decode what you are actually trying to say. I think you are standing up for the US military being all right guys who have everyone’s best interest at heart. But am I right?

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

People holding those opinions are not people I trust to safeguard my freedom. Even less so when they’re high ranking officers. I’m surprised you don’t see my objection to that attitude from people in the military.

Many of the people tortured in Abu Gharaib were not picked up on the battle field. Nor were many of the people in Guantanamo Bay. Many were picked up, imprisoned and tortured just on the say so of someone looking to settle a score back in Iraq or Afghanistan.

Right. Those privates just came up with the ideas on their own. Certainly nobody high up in the administration had ever contemplated using torture on people and certainly never wrote memos advising that it was legal to do so. Oh wait. Yes, they did.

If you think the torture wasn’t directed from the very top, then you’re just another dumb, brainwashed military fuck. Too bad. I had hopes that you might be an intelligent representative of our military on this board like Airman or even Bear.

Is she in prison? No? Oh, the poor lady is just gonna miss out on a promotion. Poor gal. Sounds like a typical whitewash to me. Fact is, nobody would have been punished if one of the dipshits hadn’t posted the pictures on the web and dumb fucks like you would probably be in here saying, “Oh, US troops would never abuse anyone, we’re trained not to, we’re good.” Whatever.

Montana’s too cold. Besides, there’s no urgency. I don’t see anything happening tomorrow. Heck, I don’t think anything will ever happen. But I know it won’t be because you are “defending my freedoms.” It’s because we’ve got too many people aware of their rights and are willing to stand up for them against the government. You’ve got nothing to do with that.

You’re one goddamned brainwashed, MF. What a pathetic attempt to defend the indefensible.

Barbarity With Impunity

More at source. Then again, don’t bother. People like you not only love swallowing bullshit, but are always eagerly waiting for the next mouthful.

Would that you’d do us all a favor and stop blathering forth about “justice” and “freedom.”

The Generals in Singapore might not have done anything to execute their policies but maybe they talked to some people in the NYPD.

You know the NYPD, the military force that is often used to execute the political policies of our last two far right mayors?

The NYPD at it’s most benign, just splits protestors into groups attempting to smash any sense of unity. Guiding them like cattle through barricades.

They sometimes get a little worse, and drive Vans and horses into crowded intersections while barricading them off so there is no room to move. I was once lifted off of my feet against a barricade when this happened. Eventually the police holding the barricades hadn’t the strength to contain the crowd, and the crowd burst out. This happened twice at two intersections next to one another.

And at the far end of the spectrum they’ll even doctor evidence when they ‘round up protestors and throw them in jail’.

That’s what you’re defending buddy. Love it or leave it right?

I’m not worried about the military being turned against America, because of a little thing called the 2nd amendment. As much as all the liberal pantywaist idiots have tried to get rid of it, it’s still here, and we still have plenty of guns to pop any soldier dumb enough to turn their rifle on an American, and once my 30.06 takes out that soldier, I’ve got an M-16. Sure their superior training puts me at a disadvantage, but they are severely outnumbered. Let’s not forget the number of the military that would defect from the military taking military hardware with them. That’s the real reason I’m not worried.

But to think that the Patriot Act doesn’t affect us on a day to day basis? That’s just fucking naive. To think that the government isn’t oppressing Americans on a regular basis, that’s naive as well. If you think you’re defending ANYTHING in America you’re fucking naive. You’re carving out an Empire, you’re the strong arm in a war of aggression. You’re not defending jack shit. Get used to it, embrace it or get the fuck out of the military. America’s not in any fucking danger from external forces. If America were actually in danger then how come buses aren’t blowing up in New York on a regular basis?

Congratulations on your sense of belonging, maybe in the long run, you are doing something good, but it isn’t in defense of freedom or democracy or any of that. It is carving out a corporatist empire, and that’s all it is.

New World Order!!!

Erek

You are indeed correct. And, may I use your quote about sarcasim as a sig?

I see no problem with the belief that protestors should be rounded up and jailed, so long as that belief does not become action. I can believe that you deserve to be shot between the eyes (I don’t, but lets just say.) So long as I don’t shoot you between the eyes (or anywhere else, for that matter) them my belief is just fine. I can even voice it (sometimes) and not be troubled.

Trust me, you’ve never suprised to see what new ideas that privates, airmen, and seamen can figure out on their own. When you’ve got guys using Aqua Velva to scrub toilets (in basic) and scraping sheetmetal to make hillbilly truck armor (in Iraq), are you really suprised that a bunch of weekend warriors who (according to their brigade’s last ORI) “Exhibited a lack of dicipline which may cause a breakdown in the chain of command.” I’m not excusing their activities, but those who committed the crimes have been punished. Hell, look at Pvt England. She pled guilty, and now faces up to 11 years in Leavenworth. I hope she gets it too.

Oddly enough the Geneva Conventions make allowances for on scene commanders who encounter ‘partisans’ (as it’s stated in the Conventions, ‘enemy combatants’ in the modern lexicon,) to execute those people without full due process of law. Hell, I forget who took the photo, but there’s a prime example from Vietnam (this older fellow in fatigues, firing a pistol point blank into the head of a guy wearing a striped shirt.) What the photo fails to note is that the fellow gettting shot was a VC major who’d set off a bomb in downtown Saigon, killing a RVN lieutenant and his family. I believe the uproar over this was the fact that the gunman was a RVN brigader general who was being assisted by the US Army (a few officers of which were present.) Still, the ‘partisan’ (enemy combatant, whatever) was executed without trial, and it was still valid under the Geneva Conventions. What I’m getting at is that those folks at Abu Gharaib (I won’t say GitMo, because they’re being let out. Slowly, but being let out none the less) did not qualify for even the most basic of defences under Geneva (trial by jury, or trial by courts-martial) because they are not soldiers. I do not believe that the abuse was appropriate, but not because they should have been protected. Shit like that degrades what little fighting ability and integrity that a unit has. Anyway, I’m going to venture a guess that you’ve never been in the service (and most certanly never been to Iraq…)

fushj00mang

Here’s the photo to which you are referring:
http://www.staff.uni-mainz.de/lackmann/zeitzeugnisse/zeitzeugnisse.htm

It was taken by photographer Eddie Adams who passed away a few months ago.
I was looking for something that had a caption about exactly what was occurring.
(Needless to say, click for the larger photo).

Yes, especially because he doesn’t seem to have any coherent ideology–just one point (“soldiers take tax dollars and don’t do anything.”) He doesn’t even have any opinion about the war in Iraq. His personal website is completely void of political commentary, paints him as a very unremarkable person, not really the kind of person that has a fanatical, single-minded purpose, or that would get such enjoyment out of insult military personnel. And it has links to websites about Laura Ingols Wilder and anti-mormonism. Still, it seems like a wierd way to get attention. Then he did that camera thing.

As for the white supremacist website, I can’t find a way to it.

Who was the writer that had the concept that no one should be allowed to vote unless they had earned the right to do so by serving in the military? Heinlein, perhaps?

I believe his rationale was that only those who have put their ass squarely on the line to defend a freedom can fully appreciate the value of that freedom, or something like that. It’s been a while since I read it, so I’m not remembering it accurately.

Sounds like something Heinlein would say.

Of course we all know that freedom comes in limited quantities, and it’s very important that we defend our supply, or take it from others if need be. :rolleyes:

Erek

Ever notice how since the war of 1812 we’ve had to send ridiculous amounts of materiel over vast oceans to other countries on other continents in order to defend ourselves from the armies marching on us to take away our freedom?

Erek