What can you tell me about Tucson AZ?

One of the schools I am applying to right now is University of Arizona. I’ve been looking at rent.com and apartments.com to get an idea of the cost of living there, and I’ve been shocked by how low some of the rents are. The apartments that allow cats and are near the school and a decent size (at least 700 feet) are all pretty cheap (under $600…sometimes as low as $500…). Being from So Cal, I am naturally suspicious. Is there something wrong with the area that makes people not want to live there?

Also, what is the job market like there? Any other additional info I should know? The other two schools I’m seriously considering are in So Cal and Salt Lake City, so I know what to expect there. Tucson though is a mystery…

Was there about 30 years ago, so I am not speaking from personal experience.

Had a friend in LA who moved there with his lover. Big farewell party and huge U-Haul and…bam, three months later he was back in LA saying that Tucson was hell on earth.

My brother lives in Scottsdale…an upscale city…and his read on Tucson is that it is slightly better than a ghetto, but with a Mexican flair.

Apologies to any SDMB members who live there…but that is my personnal knowlege of Tucson…other than a local DJ in Las Vegas who is from there and always jokingly calls it “Tuck-son” Arizona.

Oh, and regarding Salt Lake City…one word. Mormons.

If that is not a problem, you will love it there. Beautiful, great outdoors fun and clean. But again. Mormons. Not exactly a party town.

Oh, I grew up in Utah. I’ve only been in CA for the past um…6 years. I don’t mind the Mormons at all…if I did, family get-togethers would be hell. :wink:

Eh, I’m hoping somebody comes along with more positive things to say about Tucson. The MFA program of at UofA is really good, and I would be thrilled to go there, but I’m not interested in spending another two years in a place that would make me miserable (I could stay here for that.)

Didn’t mean to insult Mormons…work with a bunch and they are nice people. Other than that green jello thing. Also, out of their element (Utah) they adapt well and are really quite liberal on a one-to-one basis. Like ex-Catholics (myself included) they know how to separate their beliefs with day-to-day life - at least those I have met here.

And sorry to be the bearer of bad anecdotal info about Tucson. I am sure someone from their will be more supportive. But why not just stay in SoCal? I mean, it is not like they have bad Universities and a bad rep, and you are already there! That ought to save you a bunch of money, if you don’t have a scholarship.

…someone from THERE…

Why not stay in So Cal? Lots of reasons. It’s really too expensive. We’ve scraped by for the past four years, but I am so tired of devoting more than an entire paycheck to rent alone and barely coasting by on the rest. I am really tired of the heat (yeah, yeah, I know, AZ won’t be better), I’m tired of the traffic, I’m tired of the pollution, I’m tired of everything that makes So Cal So Cal. At heart, I’m a small-town girl, and I’m starting to get very claustrophobic down here.

I don’t hate it. Far from it. I’ll probably come back. I’m counting on coming back. But I would like to come back when I have the qualifications to be gainfully employed somewhere that would allow me to live in the area in something other than a tiny, old, cramped apartment with no A/C in a shitty suburb.

Plus I’m young and I have no responsibilities to tie me down. I want to try to live in as many different place as possible while I finish my education.

I’ve been to Tucson a couple of times and think that it’s a cool little city. The weather might be an issue. It’s in the middle of the desert so it’s very dry and can get both very hot and very cold. There isn’t a lot going on so if you’re the type to go out a few nights a week you’re going to run out of options fairly quickly. Great Mexican food, cheap rent, what’s not to like?

Phoenix, on the other hand, is a shithole. The same bad traffic as L.A., worse smog believe it or not and no beach to make up for it.

Haj

Very hot? I’ll say! The last time I was in Tucson the temperature was 120° F. Of course, it’s a dry heat. So, If you like that sort of thing. . . :cool:

Are there really no Dopers from Tucson? Hello?

My family just returned from a visit there this week… Mom, my sister, and her family all live there. I don’t think Tucson’s too bad… our (my wife’s and my) issues with it are the heat and the architecture. There are numerous great restaurants, at least some cultural activities, skiing nearby on Mount Lemmon, and UofA itself.

I agree with hajario regarding Phoenix. There are something like 3 million people in the Phoenix area now - it’s totally out of hand.

I would think a college person could have a lot of fun there. I can’t imagine having fun in Salt Lake City.

Any particular reason why you’ve narrowed your choices to these three schools?

Not from Tucson, but I’m a Phoenix native who has done my share of traveling to Tucson.

As others have mentioned, it’s not much of a party town. It always reminds me of what Phoenix must’ve looked like in the late 70’s/early 80’s. That said, they apparently have an amazing Rocky Horror Picture Show production and they also have Old Tucson Studios, Biosphere II, and Kitt Peak Observatory. I believe there are literally less than a handful of nightclubs in the Tucson area, so if you’re into that sort of thing, you may be quite disappointed.

The good news is that it’s a 1-2 hr drive to Phoenix and there are several clubs here… and not too far from Rocky Point (Puerto Penasco, Mexico), which a great place to go for cheap alcohol, great mexican food and a fun beach atmosphere.

Personally, I really dig Arizona. A few hours SW, you’re in Rocky Point, 7 hours west and you’re in Santa Monica, 2 hours north and you’re playing in the snow and 4 hours north to the Grand Canyon.

Wife’s from Tucson and her family still lives there, so we get out there every few months. She also graduated from UofA’s undergrad program and law school.

Tucson’s a decent medium-sized college town. Since you’re from SoCal (like me), imagine Riverside or San Bernardino without the rest of LA being there.

Weather is superb in the 6 cool months, and pretty damn hot in the summer. Then again, if you’re attending college there, the worst of the heat is during the time school’s out when you could retreat to LA or Utah or ???.

Cost of living is tiny compared to LA, so those rentals you’re describing are NOT tenements. The University itself is in a decent older part of town (again, think Riverside).

Employment-wise the town is pretty sucky. Lots of retirees and poor immigrants, not much real industry beyond a couple of aerospace firms. So sophisticated jobs are hard to come by, which may be an issue if you’re married & he needs that sort of work. There are tons of jobs in construction and retail; the place is growing like a weed. Wages at the low end are held down by the huge number of legal and illegal immigrants there.

The University is the cultural center of town, so if you’re into that sort of stuff (which I assume an MFA candidate would be), you’re in the right place. Other than that, the town’s a large bedroom community with relatively little “there” there, to quote Dorothy Parker.

OTOH, The civic leadership is trying to avoid turning the whole town into just another generic suburb of So Cal. The old town has a distinct old-West rustic charm that many people fall in love with. Many others get driven off by the first or second summer.

Having lived in Vegas (loved it), Phoenix (hated it), and Tucson, I’d have to say Tucson has the best weather & ambience of the three. But if you’re not comfortable with searing heat, clear blue sky with no clouds ever, and everything being brown & dust-covered, that’ll wear on you after awhile and may even drive you out.

Sorry to hijack you, but we have a pretty good MFA program at my university. If you can stand cold weather, and lake-effect snow, Western Michigan is a pretty good place to be.

Western Michigan University

Well, UCI and UofA both have excellent writing programs with amazing reputations. I feel like they would serve me the best. I picked UofU because it not only has an MFA in Creative Writing, but a PhD, plus it is near my family, it’s “home”, and it’s much cheaper than here.

Fun? What is this fun you speak of?
Actually, we’re homebodies. We never go out clubbing, very rarely go to concerts, barely even go to the movie theater. I said to Jaime last night, “I think all these apartments are full of old people” and he responded “Then we’ll be right at home.”

I didn’t really give too much thought to the important things like cost of living and whether or not I’d be miserable…I just wanted a good school.

No, we’d pretty much have to settle there for the duration of my study. However, we’d actually have air conditioning in Tucson, according to all the apartment listings, which is more than I can say here (I still can’t believe that we don’t have A/C this far inland but whatever…)

This might be a little troubling, but I’d be happy as long as he can get a job that pays our rent and bills. Hopefully I’ll get some financial assistance, or a TAship, so the money situation won’t be desperate…

Heh, no, not good with cold weather. The only reason I’m considering SLC is that I know compared to the rest of Northern Utah, it’s really not that bad. I hate the snow and I hate the heat, so finding a comfortable place to live is nearly impossible. :rolleyes: Wait, no, Santa Monica would be perfect for me, but I really can’t afford that.

Anyway, thanks everybody for the information. And keep it coming if you can! :slight_smile:

I live in Tucson, which is the 26th largest city, I believe, and I second everything LSLGUY said. I grew up in Michigan. Tucson is not bad. You have access to anything you desire, with Phoenix (the 6th largest city) being an hour and a half away.
Yes, rents really are that cheap. Housing prices here are very low compared to SoCal, and a lot of parents will buy a house for their college student instead of paying for a dorm room or apartment, as an investment for when they get out. Knowing what I know about Tucson, having lived here for 8 years, I can tell you that you should be pick the U of A. Maybe you could just come out to visit before you decide to see if you would enjoy desert life.

Oh, and all apartments/houses have cooling, but not all of them have A/C. Some use swamp coolers. They work very well if they’re working properly and the humidity is low. Which it is the majority of the year, except for the monsoon. Which is from July 4th to Labor Day, on average. Then the swamp coolers don’t work very well. But then alot of apartments/houses have A/C too, I do.

And another thing, it’s really just a myth that it’s 120 here in the summer. It might reach a high like that every few years. Mostly it’s under 110, but we’re talking 100+ days of it. It can be difficult, but you just go from house to car to office and back during the day. You do shopping and entertainment when the sun goes down.

My bro lived in Tucson, and his wife loved it. I went out for visits. It’s pretty in its own way (I do prefer the rolling hills and green of the midwest), and a lot of people fall in love with it. The weather was beautiful, but I was only out there when it wasn’t really hot. The Mexican food is fantastic.

Kitt Peak is neat - go there for a visit if you like astronomy.

My sister-in-law attended U of A, and she loved it. 'Course, she was there to study Spanish, which might attest to some of that. The campus is nice.

Two things that struck me about Tucson are a) the urban sprawl - everything seems so spread out; and b) how “dirty” it seemed. However, I think these are natural conditions of western cities. There’s more room to sprawl out in, and since the conditions are naturally dry, there’s no green or snow that covers up the dirt. I know my midwestern cities are just as dirty/trashy as those out west, but I’ve got lots of trees, leaves, bushes, grass, or snow that covers it up, so they seem cleaner.

Beware - there be spiders. Big ones.

I have family out there. I haven’t been back in decades, but I really liked it as a kid. It is mutherin’ hot, so if that’s not your cup of tea, don’t go.

I was under the impression Tucson was hip with all kinds of night life and such. I’m not getting that vibe from this thread. I may have to go check on my favorite little city.