No. The rapey thing just goes along with being a Democrat all your life, right? That is Andy’s logic. We are understanding the philosophy by looking at the traits of those who follow it. Clinton, and Trump, and Cosby, and Weinstein, JFK… they were all womanizers and/or rapists… and prominent Democrats at the time. Therefore the Democratic philosophy must be Mysoginistic and rapey.
But seriously, Bannon was enamored with the Democrat Trump, because he thought he could fight dirty like a Democrat: lie with straight face, go for the jugular, make shit up about his enemies to try to get them to deny it. He thought the honest statesmen Schick couldn’t Win against the Democrat sleaze, so he told to Trump exactly what he would need to say and espouse to run for President as a Republican. It’s right there in the first chapter or two of Woodward’s book. I believe he even has quotes from those meetings.
Trump was literally a Clinton style Democrat that Brannon recruited to be a Republican (they kind of recruited each other.)
Wow. The lengths some will go, twisting beyond any possible reason or logic (not to mention misrepresentation of what other posters, like me, have said), just to avoid even the possibility of admitting that their “side” might bear some small bit of responsibility for something reprehensible like Trump.
Whatever you’re going on about, it doesn’t respond to my actual words. Just some indecipherable weirdness. It really shouldn’t be that impossible to accept that those Republicans who voted for him and continue to support him are responsible for electing and continuing to support Trump.
I confess that I was initially taken aback by Scylla’s post(s) as well, but when you think about it a little more, Trump actually is kinda like an old fashioned centrist Democrat. Democrats historically support policies that are more protectionist. Trump lied his ass off throughout the entire Republican primary and, despite vowing to tear up Obamacare, he was one of the few - maybe the only Republican - who said that his plan would cover everyone. It was bullshit, but that’s beside the point. He was also an anti-war president, again bucking Republican orthodoxy. Trump actually pushed his Republican opposition aside using some Democrat themes.
Then you will be partially responsible for him and anything he does should he be re-elected. But I have a feeling you have some sort of attachment towards blaming your own actions on Democrats and progressives, based on these posts and past discussions we’ve had.
Your actions are your own, and no one else is responsible. If you support an abuser of women, that’s on you, not on anyone else. No one is forcing you to vote for misogyny, bigotry, and hatefulness. That’s a choice that you appear to want to make. I hope you’ll change your mind.
Oh, there is no blame on Democrats, none at all. From our discussions i’m positive you have no read on my thinking, whatsoever.
I’m not voting for a person. I’m voting for what I think will happen if he stays in office versus what I think will happen if we let one of the lunatic lefties in. All Democrats needed to do to retain my vote from the last two elections was not to go absolutely batshit crazy. In fact, I think that’s all they needed to do to win in a landslide. But Trump will win, because the Democrats have gone insane.
Getting back to the OP, the OP asked what conservative values are not based on bigotry. Some, like drilling for more oil, low taxes, high defense spending, have nothing to do with bigotry whatsoever. Should we discuss those?
We’ve proven that we live on entirely different planets, with entirely different factual histories, again and again, so I’ll just step back here. Best wishes to you and your family.
Elliott: “You could be happy here, I could take care of you. I wouldn’t let anybody hurt you. We could grow up together, E.T.”
**Trump: [in a hazmat suit] **Did you notice what that weird alien did? Made you go under the influence, did go over the border, made you kiss a girl by force… That is right, those aliens are ‘Drug dealers, criminals, rapists’…
Is that the really the extent of “conservative values”? There just doesn’t seem to be a lot of meat behind low taxes for the ultra rich (I’m not giving ‘low taxes’ as it doesn’t match history), drilling for oil, and spending a lot on the military-industrial complex (while cutting spending on soldiers). If I just straight posted that such a list was the sum total of “conservative values” I’m sure I’d be accused of caricaturing, but that seems to be all anyone can manage to dig up.
A lot of the traditional things claimed as values that I would disagree with but at least respect like ‘support for law and order’ have proven in recent years to be something more like ‘support for the death penalty for minorities, but if rich white guys want to rape women or molest children we’re completely fine with it’. So while it’s not entirely surprising that there’s such a weak set of ‘values’ put forward, it is rather shocking just how many things that were formerly claimed as values have been abandonded or proven to not be true.
Also, while not all conservatives are Christian, there are certainly a very large and vocal number of conservatives who claim to be Christian, and I think it’s very interesting to note that none of what’s come out as ‘values’ here actually line up with anything that Jesus said to do.
Why are there more interracial couples who are Republican in Washington Politics? Clarence Thomas and Mia Love two examples off the top of my head. Bigoted…lol
