Do we have to agree with everything you say to not be bigots?
How can we disagree with your political views and not be bigoted, based on your definition of the word? Besides a conservative is something you choose to be, not the way you are born, so trying to compare being a conservative with being Jewish or being gay, is actually pretty ridiculous. This whole “poor persecuted conservative” thing is really over the top imo, its an attempt to shut town opposition by calling it bigotry.
While ignoring their own attitudes toward Liberals and well, every other political ideology that isn’t theirs. Sweet Jumping Jesus, they have a fairly large number of different networks that spend vast amounts of time attacking, distorting and demonizing everyone who isn’t a Conservative. They have no basis to complain about people attacking their ideology.
Still no interest in the factual history relating to our earlier discussion about the government shutdown? Is it really so horrible to be wrong on the facts that you won’t even discuss it?
No. But if you hold the view that conservative values are based on bigotry, than that is itself a bigoted view.
As for other policies that are “better” with Trump, again Tax Tariff Trump is not making sense and continues to lie constantly about how good he is doing.
My guess is that most non-bigots would just simply explain why they weren’t bigots. If a person is truly non-bigoted, it’s not that hard to explain that fact.
If you started a thread attacking another poster for being a bigot, it would certainly be moved to the Pit, because that’s the forum for personally attacking another poster. I’d be very, very surprised if anyone perceived you calling another poster a bigot as a bigoted attack in and of itself. They might think you were wrong, but you’re pretty much the only person on this board that thinks attacking someone’s politics is a species of bigotry. Generally, when people talk about bigotry, they’re specifically talking about racism, sexism, homophobia, or religious intolerance. Trying to pass criticism of someone’s politics off as bigotry is mostly going to get you laughed at, as with this thread.
Yeah, attacking a religious group is going to be treated differently than attacking a political organization. This is a distinction you really should have figured out by now.
None whatsoever. I asked you if I had your views pegged a couple of pages ago and you didn’t respond. I didn’t troll after you whining for an answer. I don’t see you demonstrating good faith. You misrepresented my earlier post to suggest I was horribly upset of]r filled with rage or something. You are being obstinate and obstructive over basic issues that should not be an issue like the meaning of bipartisan, and, you should be familiar enough with the issue to guess what my answer would be without insisting I type it out. Past performance suggests you will be obstinate and obstructive and just waste my time.
I don’t owe you an answer. I respond to what is interesting to respond to. I don’t find it interesting.
So that’s the third time I’ve told you no. It won’t be interesting to respond to this any further.
Circular logic and incorrect.
Are there any groups where someone can make the determination that their values are based on bigotry without themselves being a bigot? Like, can I say that about the Nazis, or the Klan, without being a bigot?
Yeah but be lenient - it’s just a verbal tic of his. You know how Obama always said “let me be clear” while he was thinking about how to say what he wanted to say next ? Well, Trump just lies reflexively while he’s thinking of his next stinker.
See ? Both sides do it ! 
Me too. That’s not what is happening. The proposition is being put out that the values behind conservatism are founded on bigotry. it is being generally met with acceptance, and defended. With the exception of the last post that I responded in detail to, those values themselves have not even been identified and discussed. To the extent that they have, they have been woefully misrepresented to the point of blatant willful ignorance.
That’s bigotry.
I don’t think that. Feel free to attack and discuss and attack the ideas all you like. I would enjoy a discussion about political values that didn’t focus on ad hominem.
There is nothing about the notion of bigotry that confines it to those things. One can be bigoted against a great variety of things. When it is addressed against a large group of people falsely, maybe you think it’s funny or acceptable. I don’t.
Why?
Most people’s political beliefs are influenced by their family, just like religion, those beliefs are voluntarily held, just like religion, one is free to switch religions or renounce them, just like politics.
What is the underlying distinction that protects religion but not political philosophy?
Those two groups openly espouse their racial superiority, so I think you are safe there.
You know this. Stop playing games. You know that to attribute bigotry in general to conservatives is a dick move. It seems to be the primary strategy of the left these days. Everybody including you knows it’s shitty.
Attributing negative aspects to a group that does not intrinsically or necessarily hold those aspects is bigoted.
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This is Great Debates. Blogs are not reasonable cites.
How so. If someone were to say all Mexicans were bigots, that would be bigoted right?
How about if they said all forensic were bigots? Would that be bigoted.
You are attributing aspects to a group that are not intrinsic to that group’s identity. In both cases that’s bigotry.
Tell that to Trump.
I say this as what he would describe as an America hating, socialist, communist, liberal progressive Democrat. Seriously please hold your own side to this standard as well, starting with the leader of your side.
I don’t know him and he doesn’t post here.
Ok, so you’re not serious about these concerns over discourse then. You just want people to not say mean things about your politics and are misusing the concept of bigotry to do that.
Are you really expecting people to buy this stuff about conservative persecution? Why are you so concerned about the things you complain about coming from this side but not at all when they come from your side? Can you understand how this looks to those that don’t share your political views?
I can only call it out where I see it. I would and have felt exactly the same way when it is Republicans ganging up to attack liberals.
There is nothing new or special about this behavior.
It is the same behavior as a bunch of klansman making fun of blacks, or frat boys slut-shaming, or a bunch of coworkers talking shit about one of their coworkers by the water cooler.
You think it’s ok or justified based on the target… but that is everybody’s excuse for doing it.
The behavior itself is what is reprehensible
Well I find what is happening in our Government and in our Country reprehensible right now. I will not stop calling that out just because conservatives don’t like it when they are rightly criticized for the results of them being in charge.
You see the reason politics is not the same as everything else is because politics is what decides the future of our society. Your political side has done, and continues to do things that I vehemently disagree with and that I believe are badly damaging the country that I love. Therefore it is my patriotic duty to call that out. If those that you disagree with politically doing this hurts your feelings, then I don’t know what to tell you. I certainly hear it from your side every single day but I don’t go around crying persecution.