What did Gwyneth Paltrow say?

Amazingrace writes (summarizing Gwyneth Paltrow’s comments):

> I like living here, because I don’t fit into the bad side of American psychology
> The British are much more intelligent and civilized than the Americans
> People don’t talk about work and money. They talk about interesting things at
> dinner

This sounds similar to the sort of generalizations that people who’ve lived in both the U.S. and the U.K. (including me) make about the two countries. It’s a little bit sloppily stated, as far as I’m concerned. My personal observations would be as follows: She’s not talking about psychology, of course, since that only applies to individual people and not countries. She’s trying to explain the differences between American and British culture. She gets some of it right and some of it wrong.

There are differences in American and British culture, and in some ways American culture is worse and in some ways British culture is worse. Now, it may be that the ways in which American culture is worse are more bothersome to her than the ways in which British culture are worse, but that’s different from just saying that American culture is worse. If the bad things about American culture bother her more than the bad things about British culture, that’s her right. At worse, she may be overgeneralizing, but it’s not even clear that she did that. She never explicitly said that American culture is worse, just that the bad parts of it bother her more.

The British are more intelligent and civilized? I don’t think so. There are situations in which the British come off as more educated and other situations in which the Americans come off as more educated. Again, the worse that I can say is that she’s overgeneralizing. She doesn’t know as much about either British or American culture as she thinks she does.

Americans talk more about work and money in ordinary conversation? This is probably true. It doesn’t mean that the British are more intelligent. It doesn’t even mean that their conversation is more interesting. There are different (unstated) rules about what can be talked about in conversation in the two countries. I can certainly understand why someone would think would find the conversational rules in one country or another more to their taste. This doesn’t mean that one culture or another is better.

Gwyneth Paltrow’s comments are no more silly or insulting than any other random famous person’s comments. She’s an actress, not an anthropologist, and I don’t expect her comparisons of British and American culture to be very accurate. Why would you expect any famous person to make clever, or even semi-accurate statements most of time? Most of them didn’t become famous for their brilliant thought. If I were to go through the published statements of virtually any celebrity, I would undoubtedly be able to rip them to shreds if I had the time to research them. Heck, if I were to go through the collected posts of most SD posters, I could rip most of what they say to shreds if I had the time to research their statements. The fact that most of what most people say is, at best, trivial, and, at worst, fatuous nonsense doesn’t mean that most people are evil.

Caridwen writes:

> Tina Turner & Shania Twain both moved to Switzerland obviously because they
> like living there better.

Shania Twain is a Canadian who’s married to a Briton.

Yes, but she now lives in Switzerland. My point was they moved to a different country and no one is criticizing them.

I was born in England, live in Australia and frequently travel back to England. I have also visited the US several times.

There is no way that I could agree that people in England are more intelligent than those in the US. They are about the same. I wonder if people in the US assume the English are intelligent because they speak with such posh accents?

Paltrow is like that douchebag friend we all have who goes to live somewhere else for 6 months, and then comes back talking about nothing except how much better everything is over there, and how much smarter everyone is, and how much they pine for the smallest hint of a breeze from their new favoritest place ever, and how every breath here in this hellhole is a labor and a chore.

Well, good God. Go be happy in Utopia, but just shut the fuck up about it already, huh?

What he said. I can’t improve on it. Except maybe to add that its especially moronic and suspect when you’re a member of group Y.

Only the really dumb ones.

In all honesty I doubt if she said that or it was a bad translation. The same thing happened with another celeb recently and they printed a retraction.

She’s no mental giant, but she’s not an idiot.

There it is again, with the telling her to shut up. Who the hell are you to tell someone else to shut up? You never would have known she said anything at all if the Boston Herald hadn’t printed up a bit of an obscure interview in their gossip section and if Frylock hadn’t posted in this thread. So a famous person should just shut up when being interviewed, just in case you find out they said something you don’t like?

Jesus frickin’ Christ, some of you people are bizarre (self-censored, due to the forum).

[Hijack] Speaking of foreign nationals living in the US for indetermined amounts of time, how does that work? Case and point: Arnie. An austrian national becomes Mr.Universe then starts making global blockbusters and all of a sudden he’s eligible for a gubernatorial post… While other people that contribute to society in more productive ways don’t have a chance of getting residency in the US. Would americans rather naturalize movie stars and other people in the spotlight than the common joe schmoe? I ask this because after I get my nursing licence I’d like to come and work in the US for awhile, but don’t see how that’s going to happen with visas and all that…

I’m a guy who wishes people who say ignorant things about entire populations would shut the fuck up (by the way, why do people censor themselves outside the Pit? There’s really no need. We’re all grown up here.)

Anyhow, do you see Ms. Paltrow in this thread? Have I specifically addressed my comments to her? No? Then I am clearly not “telling her to shut up.” I am expressing my wish that she take her “UK is superior” attitude and go live a long and healthy life wherever she wants.

I don’t know the full path of Arnold’s US citizenship, but he’s been married to Maria Shriver (a US citizen) for a while, which automatically made him eligible for US citizenship (if he wasn’t one already) and thus eligible for governor. Check out the website of your country’s US embassy; they should have information about what visas you might be eligible for.

Really? It’s hard to tell. :dubious:

When you run out of arguments, rely on petty, nondirectional insults, eh? Indeed it is hard to tell.

You’re right, I stooped. Shame on me.

I’m afraid ethnicity has little to do with genetics.

Certainly, for some, race can play a role in ethnic identity but it isn’t the deciding factor. However for us, generally speaking, one can be American regardless of race or even religion.

You’re getting a bit more specific then she did, no? It would be more accurate if you compared Latin culture as a whole versus American culture as a whole in your example. When such comparisons are made I can’t help but think that someone is touting the superiority of one group over another. I’m not particularly offended but let’s not sugarcoat what she’s said.

Marc

Well, you’ve certainly got me there! All this time I’ve thought ethnicity was solely the province of racial/genetic differences, not cultural groups. Thank you for correcting me. But even if I got my terminology wrong, I stand by the point I was trying to make: cultural, groups can, IMHO, be validly compared and criticized, without implying racial/genetic discrimination.

But if she is saying that in certain ways she thinks one culture is superior to another…so what? The only offense I see is a certain rudeness in the way she said it, not anything darker, as some people seem to infer.

Good. Glad to hear it. It’s kind of silly to insist you be loved madly by the people who entertain you.

Um. No. I’m pointing out the dangers of refusing to allow criticism and of condemning critics. That’s how totalitarians think.

I’ll only buy that if you’ve never said anything rude about another nation. If you had as bad a taste in your mouth over the whole ‘freedom fries’ idiocy and everything that surrounded that sorry situation. In short, if you apply the same standard you demand of her to yourself. In all situations.

Please take her back! There’s a two-for-one offer going, so you can have Chris Martin for free.

(my girlfriend tells me that some years ago, she got off with Chris Martin in the toilets of some club - civilised? pah!)

Rhodesian-South African, actually.