You’re literally disputing the claim.
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AB doesn’t like the given cite because he claims to know more about the topic than every one else. WTF is new.
I assume if I provided another cite and another cite and another cite, you’d continue to find problems with all of them. That’s why I stated at the beginning that if you have a problem with it, take it up with them, not me. You wanted a cite, I gave it to you. You don’t get to request a different one now.
I had a top-of-the-line LG that I despised. It didn’t clean well despite meticulous maintenance on my part, constantly had little plastic bits breaking off the racks that required expensive replacement parts and the bottom rack ran off its tracks every single time you pulled it out. I resolved to replace it just as soon as it suffered its next mechanical failure. I didn’t have long to wait.
Yanked that expensive sucker out and replaced it with a high-end Kenmore from Sears. LOVE that thing. Looks good, is as quiet as the LG (its only redeeming quality), has never needed a single replacement part, cleans beautifully, the bottom rack stays where it is supposed to and the dishwasher does exactly what it is supposed to do with no fuss or drama. For not even close to as much money as a Bosch or the LG. I’ve been delighted with it now for about six years.
Good luck to you.
Nothing of the kind. You provided one cite that’s a happy-homemaker level of info with no substantiation of the claim at a science level. Being on (the home-ec section of) a university web site does not grant it magical levels of proof.
The claim is that modern dishwashing detergents will actively damage dishes if they are not run dirty enough, which simply doesn’t add up on any logical level from a consumer sales perspective. If that’s true, there’s a science-based cite to prove it, especially if, as you claim, it’s “all over the nets.” Hate to disillusion you, but there’s LOTS of shit all over the nets, including sober misinformation, woo and claims long outdated but still passed along as current.
You made the extraordinary claim. I’m just asking you to support it with something besides GardenWeb discussion.
Well, that’s like, just your opinion, man.
We were shopping for dishwashers for my mother at Lowe’s and they appeared to have the decibel rating for each listed. So you can select a machine by noise level if that’s a concern. (In her house, the kitchen is in the middle of the house and is open to everywhere so it was a concern.) I suspect the more expensive GE models are quieter.
It’s a slippery number, though. Sometimes it depends on the details of the installation as to whether sounds will be transferred to the surrounding cabinetry. Many DWs get louder as the years go by - sometimes in a year they’re so noisy compared to where they started that owners can’t stand them any more.
I’m not sure why, but I suspect that noise reduction needs either more expensive engineering or “cheats” that don’t endure very long. Another reason to read reviews carefully, especially on the appliance-sales sites where people come back a year or two later to add comments, and to buy a truly better appliance (any appliance, all appliances you depend on), which may not necessarily be the most expensive in a given maker’s line. (E.g., I’d rather have a midrange BMW than a TOTL Cadillac…)
Shopping at Lowe’s… as always, watch out for “special” models only sold by that store, or only by big-box stores. Sometimes you get extra features for a better price. Sometimes you get a half-assed hybrid passing as a better model with a lot of the good features stripped out. Check FULL model numbers carefully against the manufacturer’s listings to make sure you get what you think you’re getting.
I’m really not asking you to believe it and I have exactly zero interest in spending my day digging up cites for you to shoot down.
It really depends on your GE model; my $450 GE sucked miserably at washing. Everything stayed kind of greasy unless we loaded it up with the high-end detergent (Cascade Platinum) and used every bell and whistle as far as the cycles were concerned.
We got rid of that one and got an $800 Maytag, and that thing will clean anything, even with the cheap detergent.
Oh, wow. Such a lot of replies since I last checked in!
For the record, I have thoroughly cleaned **everything **inside the dw, used a dw cleaner, use a rinse agent. I scrape food off the dishes into the garbage. It doesn’t seem reasonable to me to have to wash the dishes before washing the dishes.
Low noise level is something I’d consider, but it’s not crucial to me.
So far I see recommendations for Bosch, Maytag and Kenmore and complaints about GE and LG.
Thanks.
I was using the term in reference to the general design of dishwashers.
When I was in the market for dishwashers one guy explained two basic categories: American-style dishwashers, and European-style dishwashers. He said the latter are more eco-friendly but may leave dishes damp. He gave Bosch as an example of the latter.
He might have been talking out of his ass though.
we got a mid priced dented Frigidaire a year ago. The neatest feature is a “my wash” button that we programmed for our typical usage. Our water heater is set relatively cool so we always use one of the heat water settings. Also always use the pots and pans high pressure button with air dry. It doesn’t like 2 day old tomato or dairy products so those we need to pre-rinse. It is usually too full for the pots to fit so we typically do those by hand. Other than the kids overloading it, we don’t have any issues besides those.
Do you have any teenagers in your house?
None, unfortunately. I am the only biological washer of dishes. My husband almost never does, although he did a lot of the required hand washing of my heirloom china that cannot go in the machine, after Thanksgiving this year. It’s fair – he does 100% of lawn care and vehicle maintenance.
I would not recommend the Whirlpool Gold Series. We bought one almost three years ago and the board burned out twice. First time was covered under warranty. Second time was not and it was going to cost $350+ to get it fixed. We got rid of the machine and purchased a Maytag, which is the brand the dishwasher repair guy recommended. It washes much better than the Whirlpool did on day one. We also purchased a better warranty.
I forgot to mention that I only use our dishwasher when I’ve been cooking up a storm. We’re a household of two; I can’t bring myself to use the dishwasher everyday, so I hand wash.
This. We go out of our way to use it occasionally though, and use it when we host parties.
We just bought a Bosch. It does a great job doing its job. If you get a stainless steel interior, for the first few weeks you will notice a distinct chemical smell when you open the door after the wash is done. That will fade over time and it doesn’t affect your dishes.
If you’re installing yourself, there are some caveats with the Bosch. Instead of fishing a wire under the washer and hardwiring the washer to the electric line, Bosch has a plug that goes into the back of the dishwasher which is hardwired to a junction box that you’re going to have to put in an adjacent cabinet (and drill a hole for). Odd but it did add considerably to my install time as the adjacent cabinet was small in my case and it felt like changing spark plugs by working through the exhaust pipe. Also, you may need to drill a new hole for your water supply line if it isn’t already behind where the back of the washer will be. My old washer allowed me to slide it over the hole in the floor, but the back of the Bosch has no space for you to fish either electric lines or water lines. For the bit of work on the install, it does do a great job and is amazingly quiet. It shines a light on the floor to let you know it’s on, which seems like marketing hype until you actually hear it run.
Cord and plugs have been replacing purely hardwired dishwashers in an attempt to satisfy newer NEC regulations requiring dishwashers to have a disconnect within sight. You can have nearby switch, but (depending on various other things), having it plugged in, in an adjacent cabinet counts as well. It also makes it easy to make it GFCI protected as well. However, there’s no reason why you can’t hardwire it if you want to.
The thing that caught me off guard, and luckily I read the installation manual a day or two before I got the dishwasher was that the water inlet was a different size than has been standard for a while. Luckily, Home Depot sells a “gooseneck” adapter specifically for this purpose.
Other than that, I had similar problems as you. Holes didn’t line up because brackets were in different spots and this one is so low to the ground it did make it a lot harder to work under, but eventually it came together.
I do. My dishes get pretty clean, nothing redeposited on them.
We replaced a (shitty) Bosch with a GE Profile, with which we’re very happy. So there’s at least one point for GE, though the model we got is going to pricier than what you want to pay for yours once you include tax, etc.