What do ex-Muslims and disidents have to say about Islam.

Although I posted some of this information on another thread on the GD, that thread is getting stale, repetitious and way off topic. Besides, I thought we should examine what ex-Muslims have to say about Islam. I have already pointed out the international campaign against Sharia law, made up of extremely brave women who are risking their very lives to keep Sharia law from being introduced into western law systems.

I have contributed generously to the campaign of these courageous women, and I think anyone who believes in freedom should do so. Their site is here

If you want to see how truly revolting but hilarious religion can be, read this article about Mohamed’s hygiene tips to his followers. It is not fictional, although the comment that accompanies each entry seems to be a bit sardonic. This collection of statements by Mohamed is by someone named Ayesha Ahmed, but I would guess that to be the *nom de plume * of an ex-Muslim who like most apostates from Islam is too addicted to being alive to give his or her real name. Ayesha has a whole series of articles worth reading, including something on the Danish cartoons.

Most of the quotes in the hygiene article are from what are known as Hadiths. They are not actual quotes from the Koran, but they are recorded sayings of Mohamed, and some of them are amazing, truly amazing. I love the part about Satan urinating in your nose while you sleep. And I thought it was just my partner sitting on my face last night. :smiley:

What is less funny is that the Hadiths, while not as important as the actual Koran, are nontheless constantly quoted and widely-used guideposts used by hundreds of millions Mulsims every day. Yet you have only to read them to get the picture of Mohamed as an ignorant, superstitious and primitive, manipulative man whose ideas are nonetheless being unleashed and imposed on the modern world. Followers of a man who thought hygiene included getting Satan’s piss out of your nose are in the 21st Century refusing to use hand lotion when visiting hospitals because it has alcohol in it.

Many Muslim apostates contribute interesting articles to the **Faith Freedom International ** web site to be found here .

I have been told that my opinions do not count because I am simply a bigot who does not understand Islam. Presumably, the people posting on these sites DO understand Islam, having experienced it first-hand.

According to the home page of FFI:

“Faith Freedom International is a grassroots movement of ex-Muslims. Its goals are to (a) unmask Islam and show that it is an imperialistic ideology akin to Nazism but disguised as religion and (b) to help Muslims leave it, end this culture of hate caused by their “us” vs. “them” ethos and embrace the human race in amity. We strive for the unity of Mankind through the elimination of Islam, the most insidious doctrine of hate. Islam can’t be reformed, but it can be eradicated. It can’t be molded, but it can be smashed. It is rigid but brittle. That is why Muslims do not tolerate criticism of it. To eradicate Islam, all we have to do is tell the truth. It’s as simple as that. The truth is out. Now it is up to you to spread it. With truth, the decent Muslims will leave Islam and with each Muslim that leaves, we gain a new soldier in our fight against obscurantism and hate. We are growing exponentially, The days of Islam are numbered. Many of us will see that day.”

Personally, I think that last comment is a bit too optimistic, but I wish them well. I doubt if the evil bitch of religion, whether it is Chrsitianity, Islam or any other, will go down without a fight.

So it is your choice, dear reader. You can call FFI a hate site and brush it away if it contradicts your prejudices, or you can read what actual ex-Muslims have to say about their former religion.

Finally, are there any ex-Muslims who would like to contribute to this debate? And BTW, where are the actual, practising Muslims? Are there no Muslims who are members od Straight Dope? I do not recall seeing one.

Really? His post was his cite and everything.

Just in case the OP is unclear on this, to my knowledge, the wiping of one’s bottom with stones, odd-numbered or otherwise, is not prevalent amongst muslims. I admit I have not looked into this practice to the same level of detail as the OP.

In other news, Jews apparently do not in fact steal Christian babies to perform blood sacrifices.

Alternatively, of course, we can call it a hate site and brush it away because you only chose it because it confirms and supports your prejudices.

Why are you only seeking confirmation from “ex-Muslims”? Are you afraid to encounter a current Muslim?
There have been several posters to the SDMB who are Muslim (and a couple who are no longer Muslim).

The bigger question, however, is whether you would prefer that this thread be moved to the Pit to allow you more free reaign to vent your spleen or to IMHO or MPSIMS (for whatever reasons)?

You have provided no thesis for a debate, simply some snide remarks indicating that you wish to point and laugh at people different from you.


Alberto Rivera

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Charles Chiniquy

John Culleton

Why I Am Not a Muslim by Ibn Warraq is the work of a former Muslim desperately trying to warn Westerners about the dark side of Islam. The shouting and arm-waving got rather tiresome, but I thought he made some excellent points.

Apostates of Islam tell their stories at this website. They see Muslims themselves as the greatest victims of Islam. It isn’t a Christian site, so maybe some of the Usual Suspects around here will actually listen to them with an open mind.

You’re always going to have an excuse not to listen, aren’t you?

I do not need any more “excuse” to ignore anti-Muslim hate sites than anti-Catholic hate sites or anti-Capitalism or anti-Communist hate sites or anti-Atheism hate sites or any similar sources of bile.

I do, indeed, read a number of sources that address specific problems with specific movements or institutions, but when one has to stoop to dragging up apocryphal tales of personal hygiene to pretend that a billion people are lusting for my blood, I am willing to shrug it off–and it does not belong in Great Debates.

The vast majority of person who have posted to Valteron’s threads on this subject are perfectly well aware that there are militant Islamists opposed to certain aspects of western culture, Where most of us disagree is in his continued characterization, without much in the way of evidence, that to be a muslim at all is to be inherently and irrevocably opposed to western values, whatever those are, to the point of global war on them. Regardless of that disagreement, these threads have provided little subject for debate EXCEPT the issue of whether all Islam is a threat; it should not come as a surprise to the OP, therefore, that his rather vague premise has come in for some criticism here.

Let’s assume that you and the OP are correct and there is a universal threat from Islam. Now, do you or the OP have any concrete proposals to debate? Here are some examples of what I mean by something concrete:

Should muslims living in the West be subject to a greater degree of surveillance than persons of other religions?

Should limits be placed on the civil liberties of muslims that are not applied to persons of other religions?

Should muslims living in the West be expelled from the countries they live in, or their ability to emigrate curtailed?

Should Muslims be forcibly converted, as Ann Coulter has famously said?

Please start taking some responsibility for your anti-muslim statements. If you believe that muslims are being treated too gently by the West, please state exactly what you mean, so that we can understand to precisely what lengths you feel persons of that faith should be suppressed. Then at least we can have some kind of debate as to whether those lengths are justified.

If all you and the OP are saying is, “the muslims are coming!”, well, everyone knows that and there’s no debate there, is there? The forum is Great Debates, not Great Alarmist Rants.

Or even Petty Alarmist Rants. :stuck_out_tongue:

OK. I have now looked over the profound claims of the FFI website.

Off to the Pit.
If Valteron (or anyone else) has a serious argument to make that Islam is per se a threat to the world, they may provide it on the current thread carrying the same theme that is already open in GD.

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So–you’ve stopped pretending to care at all for “Western civilization.”

My God… if tomndebb has given up the fight, we’re all lost!

All he cares about is his standing in the “most-pitted mod” contest.

One of the things that is very depressing about being a grownup is finding out how many supposedly reasonable and intelligent individuals will stretch ridiculous arguments to give them a reason to hate their fellow-humans. It sucks. Mightily. Not only that, it’s stupid, and transparently so. It would be funny if it was not so darn pathetic.

Ugh. :X

You know, I really hate you for saying that.

:stuck_out_tongue: At least you didn’t come up with a ridiculous reason :smiley:

I thought I was replying to the OP!

Ask the Shi`a Nizari Ismaili Muslim Woman
Ask a muslim man

There is a video of an actual death by stoning on the Apostates of Islam wesbsite that everyone should see. But maybe not everyone. It is not for the faint-hearted.

What does that prove? That there are people who use religion as a tool to hate people?

Knock me over with a feather.

Why did you even start this? Your thread title is “What do ex-Muslims and dissidents have to say about Islam?” But you already know the answer to that question. You have weblinks and everything.

I propose you request to have the title of this thread changed to “Islam is baaaaaaaaaaaad”. Since that appears to be your ever so well hidden point and all.