The OP is not limited to the Religious Right. I’m a righty by this board’s standards, an atheist, and as noted above, I was (and still am) willing to work for the ACLU.
That just tells us you have no principles. 
Hi, again.
I did not ask to generate anything, and I guess if I thought I’d generate anything, it would be derision. You didn’t ask for anything but my (or a “rightie’s”) reason for thinking the ACLU anti-Christian. I am not for forcing anyone to listen to Christian teaching, except in the sense of people out in society making conversation. You shouldn’t have the right to force me to stop talking just because you don’t like my message, and I shouldn’t have the right to do that, either. Force is different, but allowing a child to have free speech about a forbidden topic (Jesus) is not a violation of the establishment clause. Teaching Transcendental Meditation at school is, and Wayne Dyer teaching sorcery on still-somewhat public TV is. I don’t see the interest in stopping those.
I don’t like to infringe on rights. I hate “converso” Christianity with a passion, much more than you, probably, because you get so angry with people who disagree; you shout them down. I hate anyone being forced to “confess.” I hate the Religious Right movement. But you guys won’t let me play because I am a Christian; I am supposed to stay over there and be the villain, like I’m supposed to. There is no confusion as long as we all know our places and labels; when the labels change meaning, just change your mind on the issues, because it is the label that counts. It gains you respect and camaraderie.
I am going to try to post a couple of more things, then i am out of here. I have to get my iPod to quit holding on to the emailed version I tried to send to access on this library computer (that’s right; I am a loser. Or something) so I can either post it from iPod or otherwise. Then, it is all yours I was looking for the charter document online when I saw that it was nowhere to be found, yet it might be somewhere in the millions of links, I guess. Then I saw this page, and decided to post my reply. I did not see that it was closed. I am new to boards. and forums.
The ACLU defended Ollie North in his trial on the basis that the testimony against him was coerced. They won for him.
They defended the rights for Christian athletes to post the 10 commandments of their lockers.
In Washington State they fought to remove blocks put on library computers that stopped access to pro gun sites.
The ACLU does not just fight for lefty causes. They are not anti religion. they just fight for separation of church and state.
Except that’s not what the ACLU or anyone else is doing. They are keeping students from having the locally favored religion from being forced on them, that’s all.
Asking people for evidence isn’t “shouting them down”. You really do come across as a rightwinger; someone used to only preaching to the choir, and who isn’t used to talking to people who argue back.
And Christian Persecution Complex strikes again!
If they weren’t against ACLU , then we wouldn’t have ACLU in the first place. 
And you sound like a bunch of trained manipulators; what is it called, agent provocateurs–there’s another word. I have plenty of experience with them. I am probably older than any of you, and I have been yanked around by left and right and been co-opted against my will far more. I will post a couple more things if I can get my ipod to work right. We believing Christians take the rap for unbelieving religionists who love to control other pwople. Make your accusations alk you want. I have plenty of experience with your like. Thanks, Captain America, for your reasonableness. Are you the captain America on LA Marzulli’s site? Just asking. Anyway, spending more time here is a waste of time.
I really hate to “come off” as a right-winger, but if you love your bias and conform to typical right-left dialectically controlled thinking, I guess that is the price I have to pay. Have fun soaking in your hot tub.
The ACLU never defended me, and never even showed any sympathy for the truly egregious treatment of my family or myself. So run and tell Nietzsche, because resentment does surface and enter into it. Nothing but contemptuous smirks. Still I am willing to try to see them in the light of the good they do. I am not going to give them my confidence. Why do you have to be 100% uncritical in order to not be an enemy?
Oh yeah. Straw man.
‘If “they” weren’t against the ACLU, we wouldn’t have an ACLU in the first place.’
“They.”
Christian persecution complex: for a snapshot, search the terms “Barbara Marx Hubbard” and “2012.” See especially YouTube or anything else with live, recent comments. Yes, I am in there, spreading my ugly venom against apparent plans to murder half the human race–but us especially, 'cause we’re incapable of evolving into part of God.
I want the same kind of prayer in schools that someone up there pointed out we already have: real, heart-felt, and not led by school officials. Without the taint of official religion.
Were u correcting my grammar. Sorry, I am a product of verbally speaking only deaf in public school (i tried to tell people but they think i write so well, glad you were honest)
Illuminati? Freemasons? Lizard people? MIB?
:rolleyes: No, no persecution fantasies here, move along…
More claims of persecution, and an out of the blue mention of Nietzsche. I’ve no idea what you even think you are getting at with the latter.
Which the ACLU and school official aren’t interested in stopping, regardless of rightwing Christian paranoid fantasies to the contrary. You can pray all you like; you just can’t force it on others.
And then you make six more posts in a row.
I won’t use Franklin Gothic Medium. I was tired…it is just that I’m not used to a choice. I guess I don’t know what the true font of wisdom is.
Didn’t I say over and over that I am not a “rightie?” I hate the religious right movement; it is misrepresenting us, not you. Didn’t I say I was for a separation of church and state? I thought what I said certainly implied it, anyway. I had only a limited amount of time. Entering text on an iPod Touch is time-consuming; you have to keep backing up. I am for the separation of church and state, just not the one that says as soon as the public sidewalk in front of your house begins, your freedom to speak about your faith ends. I supported the ban on school prayer as a believing kid, and only later decided it had not had such good motives. That doesn’t mean that I support the state imposing religion. Didn’t I say that I was bent over backwards to support this thing? Didn’t I also say that I wouldn’t want to destroy the ACLU? I answered the question truthfully. I did not notice that it was a closed thread.
If I “come off” as a right-winger, it is not my fault. You just can’t stand anyone messing with your preconceptions: a good straw man is easy to burn in the desert; should you be in Nevada at the right time, you can join in burning him.
Then I don’t get it. Could you please link to a case where you think the ACLU shouldn’t have defended someone?
You are somewhat “forced” to hear when we open our mouths at all in earshot of other human beings. The moment that we do, the average fierce man on the street rattles his sabers, telling us that we are forcing our opinions on him and it will no longer be tolerated. That’s the street, you say, not a court case. True, but your court cases have had a chilling effect on our freedom of speech, we whose speech will no longer be tolerated. You just don’t ever seem to take the loss of our freedoms seriously, which is what would be expected if the charter I read was authentic and present-day ACLUers ascribe to it. I wondered if that wasn’t why Nat Hentoff quit, but I didn’t follow up on the story. You pretend that allowing our speech in schools, etc (on city _sidewalks? in public?) is a violation of the establishment clause, even the speech of small children, but you allow all the other speech to shout us down in the same official (or even just public) venues, with no complaint from you. You allow clear violations of the establishment clause, such as allowing Hinduism under the name of Transcendental Meditation (a “science”) to be taught in schools (many other current programs are similar, even though that specific one was years ago–I guess) with not a peep of protest at all from you. You let Wayne Dyer preach sorcery on still somewhat publicly funded PBS, yet no protest. There are many, many examples of this dishonesty.
When the pretense of equal protection under the law runs out–it is just too obvious to pretend–you switch to a kind of implied “turnabout is fair play” rationale. Supposedly, we have been the oppressors, so it is now our turn to be oppressed, and others take our place (as oppressors). That this …crap could never bring about equal protection under the law is seemingly of no concern to you; you are enjoying it too much to care.
I really think you are just jerking me around; ooooo, I “come off” as a right-winger, when obviously I am not. I do hate to come off that way, but I will chalk it up to a bunch if hypocrites (if whatever motuvation.) i may post my url for further comments; other than that, I am through.
I’ve also checked out Barbara Marx Hubbard, whom you really seem to not like, but I don’t see how that pertains to the ACLU.