***Lee Israel, author of “Kilgallen”, reports that that Ruby, himself a TV fan of **Dorothy Kilgallen, **had taken a liking to her during the trial. According to Israel, he respected her more than any other reporter. She had gained his confidence and had several conversations with him in the courtroom. She was given a five minute session alone with Ruby. Some writers have stretched this to a half-hour, others deny it.
Regardless, it is a fact that when Dorothy returned to New York, she told friends that she had discovered that Ruby and the slain Officer J.D. Tippit had been friends. They had been seen together in Ruby’s Carousel Club at a meeting 2 weeks before the assassination in the company of Bernard Weissman, who had placed the “JFK-Wanted for Treason” newspaper ad in Dallas newspapers on November 22nd, 1963. Studying the Warren Commission Report, Killgallen deduced that the meeting had also been reported to Chief Justice Warren AND that the identity of “the fourth man”,which she had been unable to ascertain, had been reported to Warren as “a rich Texas oil man”, as Earl Warren described him in the official transcript.
She told Israel that she had discovered something that was going to break the whole JFK assassination mystery wide open. She told the same story to her next door neighbor, her hairdresser, her agent, her publisher, and the producer and host of “Nightlife”.***
I voted that way (not the first one) because I think it’s somewhere close to that. Oswald was hanging around with shady characters. He might have told them that he was going to kill JFK, or maybe someone else, and they all laughed and said “Yeah sure Lee. You do that”. So there may have been some seperate criminal conspiracy going on, with or without Oswald’s knowledge. The assasination was all him, but there may have been another criminal conspiracy in play. Unless he was working for the US Government, his contacts with the KGB and Cuba could also be considered criminal conspiracies. And if he was working for the US government, there may have been a criminal conspiracy there also.
Jack Ruby was a notorious cop groupie and every cop in Dallas knew it. He encouraged off duty Dallas cops to hang out in his club, giving them discounts on their drinks when he charged them at all and often providing small loans to cops who needed quick money for whatever reason. (This in no way implies that Ruby bribed Dallas cops; my own opinion of Dallas cops of that time is that they were not sophisticated enough to recognize the offer of a bribe if one was made.)
He took sandwiches and various snacks to the police office in downtown Dallas as the mood struck him. IF J.D. Tippet was seen in Ruby’s night club, he was just one of many cops who were seen there. Hells bells, Ruby did everything but drag them in off the street; he simply liked cops and that’s as far as it goes.
I was never aware of Dorothy Kilgallen before, but from a quick browse of her Wikipedia page it sounds about the same as if, 50 years from now, someone opines “If we only knew what Geraldo had figured out, the story of 9-11 would be blown wide open!!!”
Is that why Johnny Torrio wrote a tell all? Is that why Capone made a deathbed confession? (Sorry, I’m in my Chicago phase, at the moment.)
Just because you think that all conspirators have some inner need to shoot off their mouths to be made famous, doesn’t mean that they do. Some conspirators do things for a different reason than to make the cover of People or the National Enquirer.
Any conspirator who would shoot off his mouth about killing JFK would not be credible. And, IANAL, but I believe that they would still be subject to the death penalty and/or prison along with their newly found celebrity.
btw, the Walker thing would be to establish a propensity for violence.
The evidence points to Oswald acting alone, and I think that’s the case, but damn if there’s not some hinky, head-scratching stuff about the whole thing that creates doubt.
Come, come. Kilgallen herself never claimed to have interviewed Ruby before her death. How/ why would Ruby trust her above anyone else?
There is nothing suspicious about her death. She was a total pisspot.
And her interview with Ruby would have been in 1964. She died in November 1965. Why would she wait so long to release the hottest story ever? It is all tripe.
Yes. I voted that Oswald acted alone, because I generally don’t believe in conspiracy theories and this is a case where people especially like to make up all kinds of things, but truth be told, I don’t really know.
Dorothy Killgallen was a respected, intelligent, trusted, classy, credible, mainstream, admired journalist… something we don’t even have today. Dorothy Killgalen was the only person allowed to interview Jack Ruby alone because of her outstanding impeccable reputation.
(Please do not try to compare the credible journalist Dorothy Killgalen with the likes of show biz media sensationalists such as Geraldo, Jerry Springer, or Ann Coulter)
To be honest, I can’t see what point Elfkin is making. Everyone, not that born after the date, have been subjected to the same conspiracy theories.
Just because I was born well and truly after Jack the Ripper roamed east London doesn’t mean I can’t be analytical with evidence and theories trotted out.
Basically, it is just saying “It is too hard”. Which it really isn’t.
This was covered quite well in the Red Dwarf documentary episode “Tikka to Ride”;
Dave Lister used the Matter Paddle to visit an alternate/future version of JFK and convince HIM to be the gunman behind the Grassy Knoll, basically, JFK assassinated himself
<Lister> I tell you one thing, it’ll drive the conspiracy theory nutters mad
I have been told that once you visit the book depository, it is obvious that Oswald did it and probably acted alone. Something about its location and an easy shot for anybody reasonably trained on a rifle.
As noted, a gossip columnist and game show panelist do not equate to Woodward & Bernstein (assuming all of the above adjectives could legitimately be applied to those two).
All of whom died or disappeared under mysterious circumstances (the hairdresser was found permed to death).
If one is postulating an enormous conspiracy involving large numbers of people (and let’s face it, the mythology that’s surrounded the Kennedy shooting and all of the public officials and members of the public who’ve supposedly been involved, either as participants or silenced witnesses adds up to one hell of a lot of people), the odds become vanishingly small that none of them ever come forward with facts that’ll blow things wide open.
Same problem with 9/11: thousands of people would have had to be involved, none blowing the whistle.
Some teammates of mine and I were once talking about some episode of CSI or Law and Order or one of those shows. We spent a good deal of time speaking hypothetically about how a particular crime could be successfully committed (it was some kind of bank robbery scenario or something, IIRC).
Man, would it not have totally sucked if one a weird, little, fk-up of a guy on our team decided to actually try it? I could see Oswald sitting in on conversation like that and being that weird, little, fk-up who goes and tries it for real.
I voted that way, because I find it entirely plausible that he did it entirely himself, or that he did it as part of a “small letter c” conspiracy with a few like minded people, who were not caught, and who kept their mouths shut.
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