What do you think about DC's new all-boy high school?

The school is open to students city-wide. It’s just that the neighboring jurisdictions are in other states. Aside from PG County, the surrounding jurisdictions have really good school systems. Deanwoodisn’t a neighborhood that is particularly convenient to most people, and traditionally, is one of the poorest in the city. It will be a nice campus, but I don’t think that affluent families from Ward 3 will be clamoring to send their kids there.

DCPS isn’t particularly underfunded. The District has been spending a lot of money rehabbing schools over the last few years. (Sadly, not enough considering how bad some of the schools had deteriorated). The city did a nice job building rebuilding Dunbar High school. The charter schools are now enrolling over 40% of school age kids. The affluent families tend to send their kids to either private schools, move to Wilson’s enrollment area, or move to the suburbs.

I’d prefer if we didn’t have single sex schools.

More for the boys than girls. Boys that age need to be around girls, see them as fellow humans and be taught not to be assholes. Oh, it works the same way for girls, they need to see actual boys and learn that they don’t play the same games or react the same way and need to actually be clued in to things girls think are obvious.

One of the single biggest values of public schools is Socialization. Learning to get along with other people, even those you don’t like, and being prepared for life in our society.

Serious question: is there evidence out there to suggest that kids who attend single-sex schools are worse at socialization than those who attend coed schools?

I have direct experience with mono-culture schooling.

It is a bad, bad, bad thing. People, especially kids, need to be around a diverse group of people.

It’s not a fix for anything unless your goal is to drive groups apart.

There’s some evidence (hardly conclusive, however) that at least some boys may do better in a single-sex classroom. See this article from the American Psychological Association for an overview.

What does mono-culture mean?

I think there is a significant difference between having a single-sex school as an option as part of a robust and diverse system and moving a whole system over to single-sex. The question is not “is this good for most kids” but rather “are there kids that would benefit from this?” I tend to think that that is the case.

Well said.

I can easily see how some might do better in a environment where they can focus. Re the “more resources/newer schools” = successful minority students argument how did those scenarios when implemented pan out? Did minority kids test much better in schools with more resources?

New test. We’ll see.

Forget the tests. Standardized tests are stupid. Do the kids from this school graduate and go onto college, the military, etc?

Exactly. Let’s see. I’m betting on better results. Forcing boys to socialize with feminism is bullshit. We’ve been doing that. Boys are failing in feminized school systems.

OK. I’m not sure what “to socialize with feminism” means, but most straight boys of high school age want to socialize with straight girls of high school age.

Edited to add, no need to force them.

I went to coed k-8 with girls and went to all boy high school, and after school I went to work at my part time job with women and then hung out with my friends who were girl and boy and went home to my female mom and sister and I really don’t get this “boys need to be socialized to women” bullshit. People seem to think an all-boy school is engaged in some evil mysterious anti-female conspiracy.

Hint from someone from an all-boy high school: no conspiracy.

It’s not high school’s job to feminize boys. It really isn’t.

Let me put it this way; my 17-year-old niece was considering which college to go to. I suggested Smith College, Wellesley College or Mount Holyoke College. She shot down all three because she didn’t want to be an all-female environment. It’s not a matter of her being “masculinized.” She wants to be in a college with male students.

Good for her.

One of the arguments made by supporters of same-sex education precisely addresses this point: boys want to socialize with (or act out to impress) the fairer sex when they’re supposed to be focusing on the teaching. The argument says that when the girls aren’t present, the boys pay more attention to education and less to socializing.

Now whether that’s a GOOD argument, I can’t say, but it does have a certain logic to it, at least for some males.

How does “boys need to see girls as fellow humans and be taught not to be assholes” (like they’re animals, thank you sexism) get conflated with “boys want to socialize with them?” And “fairer sex?” Really? Have you ever been to school with girls?

You’ll forgive me if I note that when I look around the dope for people who seem socialized to women the name levdrakon doesn’t leap to the front of my brain.

Does anything?