People are perfectly free to worry about being falsely accused of rape. The issue I guess is whether their level of concern and preoccupation over the issue is particularly rational.
Recording sexual encounters as an initial solution does suggest a fairly unusual amount of concern over the issue. Or a massive rationalisation for other fairly obvious motives.
Otara
No, men videotaping their sexcapades without their partners’ consent are sleazy. That’s quite a specific charge, and I don’t really see what’s controversial about it.
Oh bahhh…
Its only sleazy if the guy is rewatching the stuff to wack off to later, keeping it for blackmail, or planing on sharing it.
If its just going into a vault and not coming out again till rape charges are filled…well, its a theorectical form of sleazy I just can’t get too worked up about.
It’s a violation of trust, and it’s sleazy.
There are only two reasons a person would do it. Either he hates and fears women to the extent that he assumes that any of them who have sex with him have the ulterior motive of ruining his life, in which case he should get a RealDoll and live happily ever after with it, or, he hates women to the extent that violating their trust in this way is a vital component of sex for him.
Would you change your mind if it was a woman who was recording her sex life in an attempt to gather evidence to support a date rape claim??
Not even a little, no.
Forgive my naivete, but I really do have to ask; why do you sleep with people whom you assume mean you harm? Because simply not doing *that *would be a method of ‘protecting yourself’ that I would fully endorse.
For the same reason why I always buckle up a [del]seat-belt[/del] condom: nobody cares as much about my interests as I do. I’m not going to put myself in a position to be fucked when a $35 [del]can of mace[/del] web cam can save me so much trouble.
you mispelled “a small chance that one of them”
Complete bullshit comparisons. Neither wearing a condom nor carrying mace involve violating anyone’s trust.
Let me be very clear here. If you TELL the woman you’re videotaping, you’re all good. If you don’t, you’re a fucking sleaze, and there’s nothing that justifies that.
There’s a significantly larger chance that you’ll incapacitate yourself by falling in the bathtub, but you presumably don’t keep a CCTV in there just in case.
And I missed the edit window on my last post, but I’d like to clarify that any references to “you” are intended as general “you” and not ZZZ.
Let me be very clear here: the deck is stacked against men. If I get a woman pregnant, she has a meal ticket for the next 18 years; for this reason I wear a condom. If a woman decides, after the fact, that she didn’t want to have sex with me, she can send me to jail. We’ve created a society where women are treated with kid gloves, a society where a woman’s word is worth more than a man’s word. As a feminist, I believe that woman’s word is equal to my own. However, society and justice puts a woman’s word on a pedestal, and in response I use technology to tear down that pedestal, forcing the hypothetical woman’s word to be equal to my own. This isn’t sleaze, this is cynicism.
Let’s be very clear here. Cynicism would be giving up on women, or at least giving up sleeping with women you don’t have excellent reason to trust. Or, for that matter, TELLING them that you’re videotaping them, and why. That would qualify as cynicism.
Videotaping them without their consent is sleaze.
Moving thread from IMHO to Great Debates.
Hell, let’s be even clearer.
If your only concern is protecting yourself from false accusations of rape, then why not tell the woman that you plan to tape the encounter, and why? Let her choose whether she’s willing to continue under those conditions. After all, the only thing you risk by telling her is that she won’t have sex with you.
Yeah. Sleazy. So, so sleazy.
Trustworthy people are indistinguishable from the un-trustworthy kind. Furthermore, people can change from one to the other. It is impossible to determine how someone will behave when presenting with a new set of motivators. For this reason I don’t go up to a woman who has been date-raped, and say: “You idiot, of course you got raped, you should only go out with people who don’t look rapey”. Because that would be blaming the victim, and that is terrible.
I think I should point out that in my OP I specified that there’s more than one camera around the house, not just one camera in the bedroom. Further, you’re not deliberately recording your sex session; it’s getting recorded because the security system is still on. There’s movement, so the recording kicks in. Kind of like getting recorded by CCTV in an office.
Any particular reason you didn’t answer my question?
Maybe if I try louder?
WHY NOT TELL HER YOU’RE PLANNING TO TAPE YOUR SEX?
If you do that, you not only eliminate the risk, but prove yourself trustworthy as well.
If you know that the sex is being taped, you’re ethically obligated to tell your partner. Period.
I have no say in what she does with any of my sperm - whether recovered by orgasm or from trash can. Similarly she doesn’t get to tell me what to do with the images of her enjoying my trouser serpent. This exchange is still in her favour: eighteen years of suckling off my teat vs some ones and zero quietly mouldering on a hard-drive (in the event of innocent intent).
There now that I’ve answered your question, how about you answer one of mine: Why do you want women to be able to falsely accuse men of rape without the risk of being proved to be a lair? The film is only useful, or brought out, when a woman has committed the crime of false accusation. Why are you against women being held accountable to the crime of false accusation?
More to the point, you’re ethically obligated to ask your partner if it’s okay to record your love session…and even that depends on whether or not she’s into that type of kink.